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Pre-Painted Plastics vs Metal and related Debate

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I've seen the future. And it's plastic.

 

I strongly disllike the things, but it's the direction the hobbies going.

 

At least I have confidence that Reaper will but out high quality stuff.

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I knew this was going to happen someday... ::(:

 

I wonder how long we can get unpainted metal in this industry...I feel my hobby's days are numbered...

 

Damon.

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I'm really looking forward to this. As much as I love painting metals for specific characters and special fig because they look so cool, it gets old painting Orcs or Ogres over and over to use against your heroes. I don't think Reaper would quit making metal mini's, not with everyone screaming for more stuff to paint everyday.

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I am very curious to these new minitures.

 

I'm thinking they will be in the style of the D&D miniatures?

 

Although a few pre-painted miniatures would be nice for a table top RPG, there is still a joy in painting one's own. There is a skill, talent and hobby in painting miniatures.

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Interesting news! I think they form a nice complement to metal minis - people can spend more time painting the figures they WANT (e.g. your RPG character or whatever), and still be able to have games that include masses of fully painted Orcs, etc. I think it's taken some time for most people to work out exactly where they stand on using pre-painted miniatures, but the cloud is starting to settle and a lot of people (including myself) can welcome them alongside carefully painted character models in our games.

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Everyone here should know by now that I've long been a vehement opponent of the "pre-painted plastic" miniatures so many other companies offer. But as someone that doesn't paint their own miniatures, I can certainly see the benefit in such an offering. Hearing that Reaper has decided to go with a "non-blind" packaging and eliminating the LE factor certainly improves my feelings about it.

 

If any company can do pre-painted plastic miniatures right, I believe Reaper is the one to be able to pull it off. I renounce all my prior objections, and I hope to see these in stores Very Soon.

 

Let the paint (and plastic) flow!

 

~v

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Well, those pre-paints aren't all that impressive, especially with rumored QC problems being discussed on the boards.

 

The unpainted MK plastics weren't that bad. It was the blobby thick paint that made them horrible.

 

Anyway, wargames need units, and rpgs need encounters, sometimes with up to 20 figs. I'm sorry, but pewter is too expensive. Even WM is hitting a $5/fig price point! People aren't going to pay large games unless prices are cheaper. When GW plastics cost $2 or less for plastics, it's the only large scale 'conventional' wargame that will be played.

 

As long as the plastics can be stripped, and hopefully reaper will provide instructions for those who want better paint jobs, I am all for it.

 

Offering packs of orcs, etc, out of plastics will only mean more money for reaper. For character figs, I don't mind the prices. But fielding a unit of 20, as needed for WarGods, keeps me out of several games.

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Well, if it has to be done. . .i'd rather have it done by Reaper than anybody else. To 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th the notion that the none blind singles and packs are an awesome idea. Forget about the collectible aspect that the other companies have gone for. When I want my party to fight a horde of orcs and goblins (go spike), i'd rather have some quality pre-paints by Reaper than a army of brilliance. There's just not enough hours in the day to paint up everything you need for your Warlord army (armies for some of us), CAV, and RPGs. While I will stick to painting my own armies, it makes building encounters for our RPGs easier.

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This is actually great news for those of us who travel to game. Its a pain to lug around metal minis; they are heavy, and heaven FORBID you drop your box.

 

And let's not even mention how your carefully painted metal mini gets treated by the meaty paws of those hamfisted lackwits at a gaming table.

 

But just TRY to damage the paint on a prepainted plastic. It takes some doing.

 

Also, I learned a secret: plastic minis (at least Wizard's D&D minis) hold paint YOU paint onto them really, really well. It was explained to me that its because the paint they use has alot of plastic in the filler, so it naturally adheres well to the plastic minis. And the paint most of us use also has plastic in the filler so it adheres equally well to the paint already on them-much better than paint (or primer) adheres to bare metal. And Voila, a very durable paint job.

 

The plastic minis I have painted on are thrown casually into a box with dozens of others, which I carry to games all over Southern California, and I have yet to see one lose a chip of paint.

 

I love my metal, but I leave it at home.

 

Viva la plastic!

 

Viva Reaper!

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Part of what drove me away from wargaming all together was the hours upon hours of wasted time prepping to play the game. Too much overhead in the non-fun parts just got irritating.

 

If there is a good game to go along with these minis by Reaper, I might have to look at them.

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Hey I think it's all good. I played MK for years, and I look forward to a good new game coming from Reaper, I think they see the whole left by MK's demise. I loved playing with a reasonably painted, (ell OK, it had paint on it) little plastic guy that I didn't spend hours painting. If it fell off the table, oh,well, if it broke, oh, well. I get too nervous using my lovingly painted display peices for actual gaming. I love to paint, and I love to game, but I have yet to completely paint an entire army for any game. Certainly painted enough to make an army but I never stick to one group long enough to paint an entire army.

 

Hopefully there will be a good preview at RC, and why wouldn't there be? :B):

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If the choice is pre-painted plastic or an army of brilliance, I'm ok with plastic. I think that it also has the potential to attract many more players to Warlord. While I love to paint metal and won't stop, other people don't. For them, the plastic minis will be a great attraction. And the fact that Reaper is introducing them as pick out what you want and not limited edition shows that while they expect to make money from this they aren't out to exploit us.

 

Castlebuilder

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Price point is still a concern here. Some have spoken they believe the price will beat the metal versions. I have no doubt. The adverage price for 8 pre-painted miniatures (before rarity) was $15. That’s under $2 a piece but could that be driven down by the blind packaging since smaller and undesired miniatures could outnumber the good and rare ones. I know miniatures for Heroscape were a bit more pricey at $20-$25 for 8 miniatures thus being $3+ a miniature. Those were non-blind packaged miniatures—no guessing or disappoints.

 

In the last several years, metal prices have risen due to the tech industry. Plastic prices have soared due to the rise in cost of oil. Will plastic overrun metal only if oil goes up.

 

Will painter’s abandon the metal miniature? No. Not for a while anyway as we have been in this world of pre-painted miniatures for 5 years now. One of the big things to do with the WOTC pre-painted miniatures was to customize and repaint anyways. I know I’ve done it with all their lines, D&D, SW and A&A. If Reaper keeps the quality there, then they just created a market they could do very well in and hurt the collectible miniatures of the other companies.

 

Would gamers truly prefer the non-collectible miniature and buy more of a non-blind packaged miniature than the other? I’m curious to see…

 

Game on!

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I see it as inevitable but regrettable that Reaper Mini has joined the ranks of those who are Walmarting the miniatures games hobby. Fortunately for me I have a core group of like minded individuals who will not play Warlord (or any other game) with prepainted plastics on the table. And since we run the tournaments they will not be allowed under our house proxy rules.

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