I Failed My Saving Throw vs Cone of Cold

[Spinward Bound 133]

So, my dwarf looks like she got blasted by Takhisimat's white dragon head for a handful of d6's.

 

 

I sprayed it with some matte sealer from The Armory and she frosted right up. It's been about 20 hours and it hasn't cleared at all. I did a search and read that applying some gloss sealant then re-applying matte sealer may fix this.

 

Does anyone have any experience with this?

Edited February 14, 2013 by Spinward Bound

[Baugi 3864]

Yep! Completely ruined 2 minis doing exactly this. I ended up stripping them and starting over. I do hope your get better results. This, by the way, is why I will ONLY use brush-on sealers now.

[Spinward Bound 133]

Darn. I had a bit of frosting on my last dwarf on his belt buckle, but it went to clear after like a day.

[buglips*the*goblin 87971]

Yep. Delicious frosting (do not actually attempt to eat delicious frosting, it's not really delicious) has occured for me under the following circumstances:

 

1. Too hot

2. Too cold

3. Too humid

4. Spray can too far from mini

5. Spray can too close to mini

6. Undersealer not quite fully dry

7. Dullcote just felt like it

 

I only spray now when I can get outside, it's not raining, it's not humid, it's about 18-24 degrees C, it's not windy, there's no dust. This works out to less than ten good days a year for it. I save my minis up for The Great Coating.

 

That's with Testor's Dullcote. Your brand may have its own special circumstances.

[Darsc Zacal 37979]

I've had the exact same experience with the armoury sealer back at least couple of years ago now. I don't use it anymore.

[Sanael 9587]

I know we had something from the Armory that I hated using, pretty sure it was the dullcoat. Testors is still the bestors, IMO. Even with Testors, though, you have to be careful; I don't notice as much down time as Buglips describes, but dullcoat is finicky stuff.

 

The problem I see most often is this.kind of frosting when it is too cold. I just sprayed the other day in about fifty-degree weather and was relieved to have no problems. I prefer to be between 60-80, although humidity becomes a problem above 70 or so. YMMV.

[buglips*the*goblin 87971]

I live in an evil climate, it's coniferous maritime rainforest. Come august the humidity gets so bad that going outside is like taking a bath.

[Adrift 7572]

Testor's Dullcote. Nuff said.

 

The Armory matte sealer is notorious for this is you spray too much in one coat.

[Spinward Bound 133]

Looks like I need to do a bit of shopping, thanks for the recommendations everyone.

 

Is this the stuff?

 

http://www.amazon.com/Dullcote-Spray-Testors-Enamel-Plastic/dp/B0035LOUMU

 

Or this?

 

http://www.michaels.com/Testors-All-Purpose-Flat-Clear-Lacquer-Spray/cp0454,default,pd.html?cgid=products-craftpainting-paint-brands-testors&start=25

 

 

Edited February 14, 2013 by Spinward Bound

[buglips*the*goblin 87971]

Also, be aware that any spray sealer applied to clear plastic will frost it up. It will not go on clear.

 

Source: many ruined airplane canopies (you'd think I'd have learned after the first dozen)

[Pingo 102243]

I have some Testors Dullcoat but haven't used it yet. I had planned to use it in my basement studio (professionally ventilated). In the winter it rarely gets warmer than 16 degrees and is pretty dry and in the summer it is generally 20 degrees and a touch humid.

 

Has anyone got a brush-on matte finish they can recommend?

[Darsc Zacal 37979]

I just want to note that I used the Armory's spray for years, all year round and never had a problem. When the frosting occurred I had used a new can. I thought maybe it was aged stock and looked for a date on it, then I pulled the empty can out of the garbage to check it and noticed that there was a difference in the listed contents.

 

 

After that bad experience with their new formula I stopped using their sealer.

Edited February 14, 2013 by Darsc Zacal

[maxstyles 384]

I have had frosting with GW, testors, and armory always when I apply a thick coat. Now I use only testors and krylon clear matte and apply a very thin coat. I mean very thin coat. I coat so thin you could brush your teeth with it!. And I apply multiple coats just to avoid any buildup....

 

Thanks my two cents worth and I hope it helps.

[Baugi 3864]

Pingo, I do a mixed matte+gloss 50/50 first, ten 100% matte layer. Currently using GW 'ardcoat for gloss and army painter matte varnish for matte coat. I use the AP stuff for LOTS of things tho.

[Wren 6873]

Pingo, sounds like you have pretty optimal conditions, unless I'm totally misremembering Celsius after so many years away. Testors Dullcote isn't that touchy. I mean you don't want to do it when it's humid or rainy or what have you, but I live in a super humid place and I manage to get it done in the basement or on the porch on good days. Another element is to spray lightly and do multiple coats.

 

Or if your minis aren't going to be handled much, don't bother with it at all. I don't coat display minis unless a customer requests it.