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6 hours ago, Cyradis said:


Could a few people/judges deliberately paint to certain standards, for the sake of demonstrating negatives? That way you aren't using pieces that had the goal of "being the best" but came up short. 


It’s surprisingly difficult for competent artists to produce deliberately amateurish works.


I have seen professional art designers attempt to imitate childish drawings for advertisements, for example. They never seem to make the right kind of mistakes, and the art always looks subtly off.


Likewise, when good artists try to emulate what they see (or think they see) wrong in other art, it often results in little more than clumsy parody and mockery, be it of romance novel covers, comic books, the Impressionists, or so forth.


This might work best if the teachers hang onto their own personal misfires as examples.


6 hours ago, Wren said:

Pictures being publicly available doesn't mean that we'd feel comfortable doing public critiques of the work without the knowledge/permission of the artists. I've faced this same problem coming up with examples for classes sometimes. I'll occasionally pass around pictures of work by other artists in a positive context, but reserve the here's what sucks don't do it kind of information for reviews of my own work only.


Wow, that’s a fraught area.


I have sometimes participated in blogs and panels at conventions that focus on problems in genre book cover art, to partly educational but also humorous effect.


It’s a grey area. My personal take on it has always been to: 1, Only focus on professional publications; 2, Make it clear that even the best of artists can have a bad day; and 3, Make it equally clear that books are still loved even when saddled with awful cover art (with a blue ribbon mention for poor Ursula LeGuin’s “Earthsea” books, which seem to have had an unusually high number of different unfortunate covers).


It does help a lot that everyone present is presumed to love the genre in question and be affectionately aware of its flaws, warts and all.


It’s very difficult to hold third-party work up as bad examples, especially work made for personal enjoyment which has not been deliberately placed in public explicitly to be judged, without coming across as meanspirited. 



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In addition to the points Pingo raised (which are very interesting and many I hadn't thought about), the problem with some of us trying to do some work badly is that we barely have time to do the work we're supposed to be doing well. ;-> With deadlines and needing to do a certain amount of work to pay bills and whatnot, a lot of people who teach classes aren't going to have the luxury of time that would require.

I did find going back through my past work looking for examples of things I didn't do so well pretty fruitful, so possibly that's something we could look at to supply material. The main issue there can be that the photography of the past has as many issues as the painting of the past. ;->

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When I suggested older projects that had been submitted, I was thinking of the 2 that I have entered in the last 2 years...


Now I realize everyone is different, but I went and asked the judges why I received the gradings I got, and I would not be adverse to my projects being discussed, as I learned why I got what I did, and that information would be useful for others...


Also, if I was asked to bring my Not Perfect, But Acceptable diorama from 2016, for their use as a teaching tool in a composition / diorame class, I would be happy to do so, provided that I had the space in my mini case...

My Goblin in Cougar Town was give to the subject, so getting it back to Con is problematic...

I would also be happy to discuss what I learned from each peice...

Provided that I wasn't in class myself, etc...


I also think that the nature of people on these forums would let them be glad to have their work used as an example, especially if they were given a write up about what they did right, and what they did wrong...

But that may just be me....


also: From the competition rules...

Other Rules


By submitting an entry you agree to allow the model to be photographed by Reaper Miniatures, ReaperCon, Hobby-Q, Master Series Paint or Master Series Paint Open for use in ads, promotions, and galleries.

I would think that this would allow the instructors to use the photos..


I also grant any and all Instructors at ReaperCon to use pics of minis that I have entered in any MSP Painting contest to use said pics as referefnce materials for classes taught at ReaperCon...


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Actually... if not having suitable pieces to critique in such a class was an issue ... suggest that participants bring pieces /to/ critique? With the likely spread of skill levels, you would have a good chance of getting sufficient pieces, and people willing to hear what needs to be improved.

I have lots of possibilities, and would likely have more by next Reapercon, assuming I was going, and it's a class I would be interested in taking, if it was offered.


Is a thought, anyway.



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