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I need* that skeleton.

 

* for a given value of need not correlating to any kind of actual necessity

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That pledge system and their self-contradictory comments on it are a train wreck, on a level that I personally feel it violates the "clearly presented" rule.

 

Also, they're technically offering prohibited items (you're apparently pledging for certificates/coupons to use on their website), for which they give this explanation:

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The reason we are doing the gift certificate is because KS doesn't provide addresses for us to ship the product to our customers. Yes these are Dragonlock tiles.

 

I suppose that may just be the project creator bumbling along because they don't know the first thing about clear communications and how Kickstarter actually works (cf. getting the address through Kickstarter's survey), but it is certainly is one hell of a red flag.

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I really like the medusa and the four-armed skeleton. But I will not back this as I still have no clear idea how that "gift certificate" system works. If it works like "pledge $50 and get minis for $60" (for example) why have such strange pledge levels that seemingly give you a certain pack of miniatures at all?

And I always thought that KS WOULD INDEED provide addresses (maybe something changed) as not every KS I backed had a pledge manager.

 

So I think (!) I got a clear answer: If you back, you get exactly those miniatures listed for your pledge level and can add more at a discounted price. (Which is exactly what one of the updates, said, too, but posts in the KS comment section seemed to contradict that). That means I'm definitely out.

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3 hours ago, Knight of the Dinner Table said:

And I always thought that KS WOULD INDEED provide addresses (maybe something changed) as not every KS I backed had a pledge manager.

no, all Kickstarter provides to the Creators are the pledge level you pick, your pledge amount, and your email address., and the money.

I've been told they have started adding a backer number, but I've not seen that.

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Love the minis but I'm not a fan of the pledge level contents. Example, I like the skeleton, but not enough to want it. I do like the dwarf(s). Kinda torn on this one right now. Jason & Bobby are probably my top 2 favorite (if not top 5) sculptors right now + both are great guys so we shall see.

 

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2 hours ago, ladystorm said:

no, all Kickstarter provides to the Creators are the pledge level you pick, your pledge amount, and your email address., and the money.

 

Huh? That's not how it is supposed to work. Kickstarter's creator handbook says in the fulfillment section (and has for some time):

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If you designated that a reward requires physical shipping, the survey will automatically ask backers for their mailing addresses.

 

I know that's indeed how it used to work for quite some time, and I wwas pretty sure it still does.

 

If Kickstarter has stealth changed this detail without properly documenting it, this is indeed a red flag for trusting Kickstarter any longer.

 

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All the creator gets at the end of the KS is what Ladystorm said,

 

however you can  do a KS survey (or whatever they call it) to gather info like addresses, but it's reputedly very clunky and non user friendly both in what you can ask, and in the output that you get

 

so maybe worth doing for a small project with 1 or 2 pledge levels, you're going to fulfil yourself by handwriting addresses in the kitchen,

 

but pretty much useless if its a large project with lots of pledge levels/add ons being fulfilled by a warehouse by people who might want the info in a database they can query & print out from (that's why all these project creators pay backerkit, crowdox etc, I'm sure they'd love it if they didn't have to)

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I’m considering the monster level pledge. I already have so many dwarves from Oathsworn that haven’t gotten any love. But I’m always down for different takes on monsters for my dnd games!!

 

Having read through the comments, and what with all the changes being made, I am a bit concerned as to how fulfillment will end up happening. Jason and Bobby are amazing talents, but it seems like the project is drawing some red flags due to the mutable nature from the onset. 

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