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3 hours ago, kristof65 said:

Don't know at this point.  The liens were supposed to be released as a condition of the sale, and according to the paperwork we have, they were.  So either the IRS never released them, or they refiled them against the property. I'm waiting for an attorney to call me back to discuss. 

In theory, we shouldn't be on the hook for their debts. In reality, we may have a years long lawsuit to prove that, and meanwhile, much of the equity we have in the home is at risk. 

 

This is the sort of situation that definitely requires an attorney who specializes in Tax Law.

If it were me I would be having said specialist attorney preparing a letter to notify the Title Company that your title is DEFECTIVE, for the following reason and the Title Company will then be on the hook for any payments and penalties.  It will be up to them to not only work it out with the IRS and the previous owner but to provide you with proof that the matter has been satisfactorily [satisfactory to you and your Tax Attorney] resolved and that the defect has been removed/perfected.  In the iterim, keep careful notes of all communications received/sent, all actions you have taken, and any problems, including additional stress that this situation has caused. {You know what to do, you do this sort of documentation all the time at work]

Good Luck, stay calm, and keep us up to date.

GEM

 

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3 minutes ago, Green Eyed Monster said:

It's been my personal experience that Chief Boatswains Mates, even Aviation Chief Boatswains Mates, who are "smarter" than the average C.B.M., have no clue about how anything containing water responds to a contact level of interaction with electronics.

That is, except for a certain A.C.B.M. who nearly caused me and my crew to Blow UP the East Flight Line at Miramar Naval Air Station one extremely damp and foggy night in the early 1970s. 

We were working on the high voltage section of a radar unit and requested that the bird be put in the hangar due to the extreme hazard of working on 5,000 to 15,000 volt electrical circuits exposed to the inclement weather.  The Chief, whose job was 3rd shift Squadron Maintenance Chief, said NO and "get it fixed".  Me being the obedient AQ2 that I was at the time  we trudged back out to the flight line [after the mandatory cup of coffee] and my assistant fired up the unit from the rear seat while I stood there on a Metal Scaffolding with High Voltage Probe in hand and waited for the system to cycle through the power up timing sequence to bring everything on line.  Things went ok through the 5KV power up and I had my probe delicately placed against the test point waiting for the 15KV supply to come on line.  As soon as the relays started to click over there was a [literally] blinding flash that lit up the entire flight line at Miramar.  I didn't know it at the time but the A.C.B.M. had been doing a flight line inspection and was about two planes away when everything arced over.  By the time we had secured power, I could see again, and looked for the now missing components of the power supply [stuff was vaporized, melted, covered in soot in a blast pattern, and generally a wreck] a runner had been sent out instructing us to secure the plane.

As long as that A.B.M. was with us we never had a problem with a request to hangar a bird.  It either happened or we had an order to secure the bird and move on to the next maintenance ticket.  I don't know if there were any repercussions from that little escapade, but nothing was ever said at the shop level, even though it had been made clear that the bird was needed in the morning for a high priority training mission.

GEM

Wow!

Never had anything that bad.  Of course, at least your Chief learned his lesson. 

The same BMC who spilled his cup of coffee all over the radio had previously pissed me off during a retrofit.   His tug went into drydock for a three month retrofit, and at the start of it, I had to remove most of the radios, radar units, and some other equipment from the bridge as well as all the antennas for them.  As we were nearing the end of the retrofit, in preparation for reinstalling all the electronics, I went and relocated the brackets for the equipment to their new locations, ran all new cabling to the antennas, remounted the antennas.  Everything was carefully color coded and labelled.  I came back a week later to to reinstall the rest of the equipment, in what should have been an easy half a day job.

 

Unfortunately, the BMC had disliked all of the various color coded cables crossing the overhead of *his* bridge, and had ordered the BM3 to paint them.   The BM3 diligently did so, but not to the point of obscuring my color coding at the bridge end of the cables.  The BMC ordered him to "finish the job", which meant painting them right up to the end of the cable.   If that wasn't bad enough, then for for one of the cables that was hanging loose (it needed slack for the reinstall), the Chief decided it didn't need to be that long, and hacked it off, making it too short.  

So when I got there, not only did I have to re-identify every one of my antenna cables, I had to replace one of them.  And that meant breaking the cables out of the new fresh paint, for which the BMC had a fracking hissy fit. And that was before he knew about me having to break the paint "seals" where he had ordered his seaman to paint right up over the connector on the antenna side of things on the top side so that I could reliably identify which cable was which. 

I was only ET2 at the time, and yet I won that argument (well, as much as a PO2 can win an argument with a Chief).  So when the coffee spill happened, we already didn't like each other - and to make it worse, shortly before that spill, I had been promoted to ET1, while he had been passed up for Senior Chief.  Fortunately for him, I was able to fix his radio in relatively short order. 

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Did some of the Laundry, painted a little bit, watched episode 8-10 of Reaper Live and now I am getting ready to pick up the youngest to go out and feed her cattle. After that I have to go to work for about 5 hours, then home for bed. Hoping the new key holders paper comes in so we can get her hired and I can give that up before the week's end. The only thing that sucks about all this is that this week's schedule is pretty much playing by ear. So I am unsure what exactly I work, but that should not last more than this week, maybe a bit into next week.

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Just played catch up on this thread, wow, 4 pages today! I had to laugh at myself, as my Great-nieces have turned Uncle Kevin into a big wuss who happily looks for cute little girl stuff now...

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2 hours ago, NebulousMissy said:

 

 

Lien/levy is so far outside my field that all I can say is "call in".

 

The IRS is open for the next two weeks (hopefully longer?), lien/levy is funded again. Call the general line, the CSR can get you transferred over to what/where you need. Because it's not your debt. If they can't reverse the lien they should tell you what you need to do.

 

Because this stuff sucks and makes us look bad.

 

And if I should venture a guess, it might be because of a new hire somewhere. It might also be that the original debtor never turned in that paperwork he said he did. Or he did the paperwork wrong and it didn't get processed. Or it's lost in the YEAR LONG BACKLOG we have now :angry:

 

But yes, if you haven't called in, do so. The least they can do is put a hold on collection efforts while this stuff gets sorted out.

This is a dicey enough situation that it needs to be firewalled through a Tax Attorney and the Title Company.

There is either a massive paperwork foul-up or, perish the thought, the previous owner has committed fraud.

In either case, the Title Company needs to be involved in perfecting the Deficiency In Title.  If this gets into a long involved process, which also translates into more dollars spent, it all needs to be coming out of the Title Company's pockets and Title Company resources.. They have much more experience in dealing with this sort of matter and will know how to cut the red tape and get to an actual decision maker at IRS.

Besides, with a Defect In Title showing up via IRS Letter, it is the legal and contractual responsibility of the Title Company to take whatever corrective action is required.

A Tax Attorney is just there to oversee the process and make sure that it is taken care of so there is no possibility for it to rear its ugly head at some indeterminate point in the future.

GEM

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1 hour ago, kristof65 said:

 

That would suck!  I would have taken some sick leave towards the end of the year just to stay home and paint to make up for it. 

 

Well, normally I wouldn’t have, since we were on unlimited sick leave. Not really, they’d get concerned after 40 hours, but our unpaid overtime cancelled out the sick leave. Except, in their infinite wisdom, switched back to a banked sick leave, which was dropped 15-ish years ago. Because everybody was spending those hours in December and no work got done because so many people were off. 

 

Guess what happened this last December? Yup! No work got done because so many people were out!  I managed to use up my time, except for one day. Stupid testing. 

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48 minutes ago, NebulousMissy said:

 

Pssst...

 

I routinely work cases that have been in the queue for 1-2 years. The issue is we're chronically, supremely, absurdly understaffed. And underpaid. When was your Release of Lien letter dated?

 

By calling in you'll get your case put to the top of the queue and probably worked that night. You might want to be prepared to fax in a copy of that Release of Lien letter. Or have your lawyer/realtor/whoever has the letter on file do it.

Good to know - thanks. 

Question for you - what phone number should I start with?  I tired calling 800-829-1040, but all of the options are either for income tax or health care tax questions, none of which seem appropriate. 

 

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We got our Forbidden Fortress stuff today. Poor, poor UPS man. It was over 30lbs. UPS had it marked as 36 on tracking but the box itself says 31. Sounded like he may have dropped it on the way up. Everything is intact though so no worries there. 

 

We also got buckets of snow last night. This is what it looked like when I woke up. There has since been more snow fall.

 

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And the local IRS office is playing a recorded message stating they're closed because of the government shutdown. 

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19 minutes ago, kristof65 said:

Wow!

Never had anything that bad.  Of course, at least your Chief learned his lesson. 

The same BMC who spilled his cup of coffee all over the radio had previously pissed me off during a retrofit.   His tug went into drydock for a three month retrofit, and at the start of it, I had to remove most of the radios, radar units, and some other equipment from the bridge as well as all the antennas for them.  As we were nearing the end of the retrofit, in preparation for reinstalling all the electronics, I went and relocated the brackets for the equipment to their new locations, ran all new cabling to the antennas, remounted the antennas.  Everything was carefully color coded and labelled.  I came back a week later to to reinstall the rest of the equipment, in what should have been an easy half a day job.

 

Unfortunately, the BMC had disliked all of the various color coded cables crossing the overhead of *his* bridge, and had ordered the BM3 to paint them.   The BM3 diligently did so, but not to the point of obscuring my color coding at the bridge end of the cables.  The BMC ordered him to "finish the job", which meant painting them right up to the end of the cable.   If that wasn't bad enough, then for for one of the cables that was hanging loose (it needed slack for the reinstall), the Chief decided it didn't need to be that long, and hacked it off, making it too short.  

So when I got there, not only did I have to re-identify every one of my antenna cables, I had to replace one of them.  And that meant breaking the cables out of the new fresh paint, for which the BMC had a fracking hissy fit. And that was before he knew about me having to break the paint "seals" where he had ordered his seaman to paint right up over the connector on the antenna side of things on the top side so that I could reliably identify which cable was which. 

I was only ET2 at the time, and yet I won that argument (well, as much as a PO2 can win an argument with a Chief).  So when the coffee spill happened, we already didn't like each other - and to make it worse, shortly before that spill, I had been promoted to ET1, while he had been passed up for Senior Chief.  Fortunately for him, I was able to fix his radio in relatively short order. 

I suppose it is fortunate for the "anonymous" BMC and ABMC that we were both young, inexperienced in the ways of"reporting" such matters and not inclined to pursue matters to  a more "satisfactory" conclusion.

Were the situation you described to happen to me today the "satisfactory" conclusion would be for the BMC to be made to understood that he was no longer eligible for further promotion, and that he should consider himself fortunate that such an "elf-up" didn't result in his receiving a Reduction In Rank sufficient to make you "senior in grade" to him and with a corresponding reduction in duties.

GEM

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11 minutes ago, SparrowMarie said:

 

We also got buckets of snow last night. This is what it looked like when I woke up. There has since been more snow fall.

 

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I think you've got more snow in that picture/storm then we have the entire season so far....ha ha

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30 minutes ago, kristof65 said:

Wow!

Never had anything that bad.  Of course, at least your Chief learned his lesson. 

The same BMC who spilled his cup of coffee all over the radio had previously pissed me off during a retrofit.   His tug went into drydock for a three month retrofit, and at the start of it, I had to remove most of the radios, radar units, and some other equipment from the bridge as well as all the antennas for them.  As we were nearing the end of the retrofit, in preparation for reinstalling all the electronics, I went and relocated the brackets for the equipment to their new locations, ran all new cabling to the antennas, remounted the antennas.  Everything was carefully color coded and labelled.  I came back a week later to to reinstall the rest of the equipment, in what should have been an easy half a day job.

 

Unfortunately, the BMC had disliked all of the various color coded cables crossing the overhead of *his* bridge, and had ordered the BM3 to paint them.   The BM3 diligently did so, but not to the point of obscuring my color coding at the bridge end of the cables.  The BMC ordered him to "finish the job", which meant painting them right up to the end of the cable.   If that wasn't bad enough, then for for one of the cables that was hanging loose (it needed slack for the reinstall), the Chief decided it didn't need to be that long, and hacked it off, making it too short.  

So when I got there, not only did I have to re-identify every one of my antenna cables, I had to replace one of them.  And that meant breaking the cables out of the new fresh paint, for which the BMC had a fracking hissy fit. And that was before he knew about me having to break the paint "seals" where he had ordered his seaman to paint right up over the connector on the antenna side of things on the top side so that I could reliably identify which cable was which. 

I was only ET2 at the time, and yet I won that argument (well, as much as a PO2 can win an argument with a Chief).  So when the coffee spill happened, we already didn't like each other - and to make it worse, shortly before that spill, I had been promoted to ET1, while he had been passed up for Senior Chief.  Fortunately for him, I was able to fix his radio in relatively short order. 

Reminds me of something my father told me about, way back when.

 

During the WW2/Korean War era my father worked on the submarines.

 

There was a bank of valves on the (non nuclear) submarines - that were set up in such a way that a blind monkey could work them in an emergency - for an emergency surface, all the valves could be slammed to the left - opening the ones that needed opening, and closing the ones that needed closing. No need to think, just slam them to the left.

 

Set up so that a person could hit each one with his right hand in a mad dash down the companionway.

 

This... affronted the engineer on one of the subs - who felt that Right should always open, and Left should always close... and he made adapters for all of the valves that were closed by slamming them right. And the sub was that way for years.

 

Fortunately, the emergency they would have been required for never happened, but....

 

The Auld Grump

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3 minutes ago, TheAuldGrump said:

Reminds me of something my father told me about, way back when.

 

During the WW2/Korean War era my father worked on the submarines.

 

There was a bank of valves on the (non nuclear) submarines - that were set up in such a way that a blind monkey could work them in an emergency - for an emergency surface, all the valves could be slammed to the left - opening the ones that needed opening, and closing the ones that needed closing. No need to think, just slam them to the left.

 

Set up so that a person could hit each one with his right hand in a mad dash down the companionway.

 

This... affronted the engineer on one of the subs - who felt that Right should always open, and Left should always close... and he made adapters for all of the valves that were closed by slamming them right. And the sub was that way for years.

 

Fortunately, the emergency they would have been required for never happened, but....

 

The Auld Grump

Do you have a name for this engineer?  I mean, based on the time frame he's probably dead, but I just want to make sure.

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1 hour ago, Green Eyed Monster said:

Doesn't exactly rhyme but Cajole comes to mind.

GEM

 

Cato's Cajoles.... added to the list. Thank you. 

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