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    Pity, I don't recognize several of the paintjobs and wanted to know who did them without having to search though each figure on the forum.

     

     

    I took a stab at tracking down the painters. I didn't find/remember all of them, though. (I did some searches here, on CMON and through Google for the ones I couldn't find through the store, but I guess my searchfu is weak tonight.)

     

    Magnus, Wizard of Hope – credited to StudioPFS in the gallery

    http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Special%20Edition%20Figures/sku-down/01402

     

    Artist Sophie - ? I can see the thumbnail on the Special Editions page, but it doesn’t come up when I look at just that figure.

    http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Special%20Edition%20Figures/sku-down/01509

     

    Pirate Mousling – I can’t find this one on the store site at all

     

    Bourbon Street Sophie – I believe this is Maya Morland (Valloa)

    http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Special%20Edition%20Figures/sku-down/01503

     

    Adventure Sophie – Anne Foerster

    http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Special%20Edition%20Figures/sku-down/01514

     

    Sci Fi Sophie – I’m not having any luck finding the painter of this one

    http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Special%20Edition%20Figures/sku-down/01504

     

    Reclining Sophie – Pretty sure this is the one by Liliana Troy

    http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Special%20Edition%20Figures/sku-down/01501

     

    Pin-Up Sophie – I’m not finding the painter for this one, either

    http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Special%20Edition%20Figures/sku-down/01505

     

    Western Sophie – I can’t find this one in the store, but I know I painted it. (Rhonda Bender)

     

    Gen Con promo – likewise, I can’t find this one in the store, but I painted it

     

     

     

    Thanks Rhonda.  Most of the ones I remembered were the ones you mentioned, but there were a few I had forgotten.  I didn't know you did the Western Sophie, nice job on it!   Does anyone happen to know who did the barbarian and pirate mouse?

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    Hi Bryan,

     

    I see that the special edition miniature release graphic credits the painters for that release but the Twelve Days of Reaper graphic doesn't.  Would it be possible to add the names of the painters so we can who painted those models?

    The design team felt that cluttering up the 12 days graphic with all 12 product names, numbers, sculptors, and painters was not attractive. You'll note it doesn't list part numbers or sculptors, even.  

     

    I am highly unlikely to go back and add just the painters without all of that other information, too.  Not to mention that for some of the pieces I do not have a painter credit available to reference.

     

    Bryan, will the Christmas elf and familiars only be available as 12 days specials?

     

    Also, is the big stocking o'bones and paint making a reappearance?

    At this time, yes, those 2 are available only on their designated day.

     

    I am not aware of a return of the stocking. We have filled the space that we used in October to make and store ghoul bags with Bones II fulfillment items, and since we have all but one shipment here, don't have the kind of space we need to execute such a thing.

     

     

     

    Pity, I don't recognize several of the paintjobs and wanted to know who did them without having to search though each figure on the forum.

  3. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the resin dragon from Heresy. It's still being cast up for back orders, but it's HUGE.

     

     

    I would steer clear of this dragon until he has filled the 214 backorders. He is currently averaging 17 dragons every two months and at this rate it will take 26 months to clear the 214 fully paid backorders. You can see his discussion on why he can not fulfill the backorders on the Forum of Doom.

  4. There are some very interesting previews recently gone up. But a few of them have left me wondering about particular details. For example:

     

    03566 Valloa Is that a pair of baby shoes she's dangling from her fingers?

     

    I'm sure it's just a combination of the photo angle and my warped way of thinking that has interpreted the things in this way, but I'd love to know what they are really supposed to be.

     

    A jailers keychain with dangling keys.

     

    Maya~

  5. I heard what I heard, if they didn't end up judging they sure as heck felt they were and there is no leyway for misinterpreting what was said, who said it and when it was said.

     

    That said, you did illustrate exactly one of my most important points with "Laszlo and I helped make a second cut of six entries. Two of those second-cut entries happened to be Laszlo's and mine (I thought his was worthy, he thought mine was), so then we reclused ourselves and two other judges stepped in." Neither of you should have been making any judging cuts at that point. You shouldn't even have been a judge at that point, if you were a contestant. That illustrates exactly my point and why people were complaining about unfairness. From what you just wrote it sounds like "I scratched his back, he scratched mine" and we both passed our miniatures through. Perception is everything.

  6. Valloa, if it was Saturday then, the judges didn't _know_ they were judging till _after_ all the entries were in. They were a last-minute choice. So, at the time you heard two people talking about the judging for Sophies, they weren't judges. I'd feel really weird if nobody is allowed to comment about the models at all until after the contest, but that would be the only way to ensure misunderstandings like you heard didn't happen.

     

    No, I heard what I heard when I heard it and they were two judges.

     

    Saturday morning at 11am both my father and I were in the same room as the Chicago painters and one of the female judges asked Derek how late he was up Friday night judging and Derek answered that he was up until 11pm. Obviously this is before entries closed at 12. So obviously, judging was done before all the entries were in since the deadline was 12. Now, even if they judged in different batches, the Sophies were STILL decided before 12 noon. Damage control at my expense is a bit late at this point. There was no misunderstandings and YES what I heard did happen both times. I could have asked about this in a crowded room (which was everywhere saturday). That would surely have made a public relations nightmare for Reaper. Personally, I think most of the staff at Reaper are stellar people and it is my favorite miniature company, but there are aspects of ReaperCon that were just plain wrong.

     

    Don't you dare try to "explain" away something that actually happened when you were not there at the expense of my reputation. I would not have brought this up here, except Anne said in her first post to discuss anything here, she shouldn't have asked if all she wanted was fuzzy cuddly comments and should not have opened the door to suggesting by complainers should have accepted everything that happened. After her post, there was no reason to have things like this in private PMs because guess what... The same things will keep happening that way.

     

    Sometimes those in charge see only see what they want to see and are blind to other things, especially when those things come at them in the form of complaints. They actually are baffled as to why people don't see events like they do. That is the time when they have to stand back and say, "If this many people are saying the same thing, the I am not looking at this correctly because something must be wrong and I'm not seeing it." That is the time that they need to listen closely to the people who spend money at events like ReaperCon because they can go somewhere else. If they can't be objective, then they need to step aside and have someone else look at it. Just because they think a concept, rule or contest structure is good, doesn't mean the majority will if there are problems. They need not take it personally and fix the problem. If its the format, fix it. If its the judges, fix it. If it is the prize structure, fix it. If its the person in charge, fix it.

  7. Ok, clocked out of Codemonkey mode so I can put on my Suburb-class painter hat (Hi Bosses!).

     

    Valloa, I'm almost 100% certain you heard me talking in the contest room. On Friday afternoon, around 5-ish I think, I took a spin around the room to see what had been entered since I hadn't been in there all day; I know it was late in the day because Derek took his sweet time finishing his diorama. In the room was Mengu Gungor, another painter, and Vickie Saunders, who was manning the room.

     

    I spent about five minutes or so looking over all the entries, and at one point, Mengu asked me something along the lines of, "So, John, which minis are you rooting for," or "So, John, which minis would you vote for." I named off three entries pretty quickly; I hadn't looked at all of what was in the room, but I knew what to my eye looked like the best entries. The reason why I mentioned Derek above was not only to place the time, but also because I had "picked" him as taking the show according to what was already in the room. Granted, I hadn't looked everything over yet, but I spend a lot of time on CMON, eBay, and around Reaper looking at figures, both to push myself and to break things down into component groups (ask poor KatieG what two hours of me dismantling style is like ::D:). I think I also said I liked Doug Cohen's left-most piece (it was the one with five horses/riders, I believe), and I'm not 100% on the third; I want to say it was the trench warfare one, but I could've been wrong. If I remember right, I also commented on Fieldarchy's piece, mainly because I do a completely different style of NMM than her. Afterwards, I think Mengu agreed with me on how Derek had a pretty darned kick-arse piece, and then said which ones he liked.

     

    Afterwards I did talk with Vickie about times to close, since my "job" this Con was to check in with her, Anne, Rhonda, and Alison when they were manning stations periodically just to be sure they didn't need to use the bathroom or stretch their legs or whatnot. Since the painters and sculptors tend to eat together at the Cons for dinner (logistics of feeding a lot of hungry artists have been hammered out since the early Cons) knowing when the room was going to close was important.

     

    So, since Derek didn't enter till a bit past five o'clock I can place myself and Mengu having a conversation about the minis we think were going to win in-between 5:05pm-6pm. Neither of us were judges for the trophies, and, in fact, the judges for the trophies weren't picked until Saturday; Anne wrangled Jennifer Haley and Angela Imrie to do the judging for the Sophies. If you heard people talking about it Saturday afternoon before it closed then I'm pretty sure it wasn't me saying it (I talk really fast and mumble a bit if it helps to identify my voice). If you heard two males talking on Friday that wasn't me (hopefully me calling Derek Schubert as winning big and Doug Cohen having a great piece will show/not show it was me) then they weren't the judges voting on the Sophies anyway. If it was two female voices on Saturday then, possibly, yes.

     

    Lemme know if I was right about the when/where/what ::D:.

     

    Quick edit: Mengu also has a very slight accent if that helps you place the voices as well (I believe he's originally from Turkey).

     

     

    No, 100% sure it wasn't you. It was Saturday, well before the entries they were still allowing to come in, were closed. And since you aren't female, not you. So nope 300%it was not you. :) Believe me, this conversation couldn't be mistaken with anyone "rooting" for anyone. It was pretty specific in what it was. Plus I wasn't at the Con at that time on Friday. I was trying not to die in a coughing fit in the hotel room. So absolutely not a chance it was you.

  8. Maya, if you don't like the system then don't participate. That simple.

     

    Go ahead and send that to everyone who complained about the contest, then lets see how low the bottom line of sales works for Reaper. Really, you should be very careful, you are not a Reaper employee and there are VERY valid complaints out there for a reason. If you feel the need to defend your wins, no one has said anything or gives a crap. But that is how you are coming across. One of the things I found very irritating at the con was the manner in which your friends were bugging everyone who would listen about how much you *needed* to win to boost your ego AND your Ebay sales. This after overhearing the judges was two of the things that did make me wish I hadn't come since it left me with a bad taste in my mouth about Reapercon. Except for the business I needed to attend to, the painting contest was an afterthought for me, but doesn't excuse the unprofessional-ism.

     

     

     

    Just because 2 people acted unprofessionally you are going to damn the entire competition?

     

    Yep, because these two people were JUDGES and it ruined the entire competition by making it grossly unfair as well as unprofessional. Think on that for a bit. If they weren't judges I would have ignored it and moved on. Would you take your car into a garage to be fixed, find out a couple of the people acted unprofessionally and replaced good parts with used parts. You had heard people complain about the garage and found out that these people did the majority of repair after your car broke down. The quality of work coming out of there was just like your car. Would you damn the entire garage and not go back? Sensible people would.

     

    I'm not going to answer anymore of your posts Meg. It's obvious you can't grasp what I am saying and I'm pretty much talking to air. I'm wasting bandwidth responding to stuff I already answered.

  9. maya how would you define what an affiliation with Reaper is? (I am serious with this question. If you were in Anne's shoes how would you define this)

     

    someone who has painted at least one mini for them?

    Someone who lives in the general area as Reaper and frequents paint club?

    someone who has a spouse, friend, roommate, sibling, child, colleague working for Reaper or ever having worked for Reaper in the past?

     

    As far as specific works being commissioned by Reaper being barred--I will give you that. Or pieces that have won in other competitions such as some of the Demon entries present last year that also won at Reaper Con. I don't think that should happen.

     

     

    See above. Already answered. :)

  10. hmmm how are you going to police that though chip if let's say the spouse of a judge is entering the competition? the judge would see it before hand would he not? (playing devil's advocate)

     

    Overhearing comments and assuming people are judges--that's not solid proof that they are. If Maya has names she should PM them to Anne and continue the discussion of this with her. It is a serious issue IF the people talking in the room were judges and this happened. Then it can be dealt with on Reaper's end.

     

     

    Wow...ok. What are the odds, especially with as small a place and attendance as Reaper.. you get two people pretending to be judges, talking about their choices to award awards to, then talking with other volunteers, at the table, in the room about the best time to close it down for the next group to judge... don't you think the other volunteers in the room would have immediately stopped that. They were, after all, less than three feet away. Solid proof is if you show me a copy of your archaeology degree. You say you have one, but I have no solid proof that you do. I can show you mine and that would be solid proof. The point you are saying here is reliability. You are implying that I am not reliable, therefore you are implying that I am not being honest. I have no reason to say something so unsavory and I truly wish I had not overheard the conversation. By overhearing it, I will be forever thinking of this with any contest associated with Reaper.

     

    How many judges were there at Reapercon? Anne knows exactly who was there and exactly who was judging the Trophies.

  11. Anne already knows. And for anyone thinking its the "'Elephant in the room" I also put it on my survey which I turned in Saturday before the awards were ever announced. I couldn't get anyone alone and saying "Hey you have a major judging problem!!!" in the front hall of a crowded convention would not have done Reaper any favors.

     

    And style, I answered those questions and directed to examples in an earlier post.

     

    The point here is... prejudging is not fair. NO ONE, no matter how good, can win a contest where you have prejudging bias. This is assuming, of course, the judges even bother to look at your miniature after they have decided on the winners. If you come in near the end of the deadline, well sucks to be you. No matter how good, you're not winning!

     

    You don't have to identify a contract painter. The judges should be independent and not able to tell who painted what. If you are friendly or look at a lot of miniatures, you know who painted what and personal opinions come into play with the best of people. It is impossible to be fully impartial if you know a particular person painted a particular miniature. What I see as a major problem with staff painters is... there were two Sophies on Reapers front page with paint jobs done for Reaper. These were in the contest and surprise...got trophies. Whether this was because the paint job was good or the judges felt reaper needed to see them get an award is moot. They shouldn't have been there. Reaper commissioned them, they shouldn't have been there.

     

     

    For the comment that you'd have less people enter if anyone with a Reaper affiliation was not allowed to enter, I believe is incorrect. You will have more because the problems with unfairness or perceived unfairness will not be there. Why do you think there is a law that says, people can not enter contests if they or someone in their family works for the company that sponsoring the contest? Read the fine print of any corporation run contest, such as Coke, Publishers Clearing House, HGTV, and so on. This came out of the rigged game shows of the 50s. No matter how good the system, this will still happen, thus the law.

  12. Do you know for a fact that the people talking were in fact judges? I mean I know that Anne and Doug were judging but beyond that I'm not sure I know who it was.

     

    The valid point is that the judges should not speak about the entries they like. I've overheard this happen at Games Day myself. It is defeating.

     

     

    Yep they were. They were talking to each other one said "I have chosen the three I am voting to give the trophies to", the other said "I have only chosen two" Then the conversation turned to when they needed to close the room so the other judges could come in and judge. Yes, I think it is safe to say they were judges.

     

    The valid point is that they did not speak about the entries they liked. They pre-picked winners and then talked about having pre-picked winners while entries were still coming in. Pre-picking is a nono anyway you slice it.

  13. It was those comments from the judges in the display room that ticked me off. There is nothing fair about prejudging anyone's work when the entries have no even closed. It is totally unprofessional to blab it in full volume where anyone could overhear. No wonder people were complaining about how it was run. Most people would not complain at all because they will be entering next year. I don't have that problem.

     

    Yes that is a valid point about the judges speaking openly and like that. It shouldn't have happened. Hopefully it won't again.

     

     

    Which is the valid point that shouldn't happen again? The prejudging or the judges speaking openly about prejudging. I think neither should be happening again.

  14. We are getting very close to Reducio ab Hitlerum...I'm starting a betting pool. I say in five more replies, someone is gonna be called a "nazi". ;)

     

    Okay, so here's more kerosine for the Incarnation of Flame...

     

    In my opinion there are two events going on. The event I entered was the "what level are you painting on" where you win a medal based on a pre-defined level of skill. The other is the Sophie Trophies which uses the same entry field, but I knew at my current level of skill, I had no chance. That's why I wasn't upset to learn I didn't win one. But I was totally cool with knowing I rate bronze. As soon as I won that, I thought, "Totally Awesome! Now how do I win a silver next year?" I think that's the point there.

     

    It looks like I've become a champion for independent judges (ahh the internet, so powerful, yet powerless to convey tone), actually, I don't care who judges. I'm happy to know that Anne, et al, excuse themselves when they know an artist. I'm not naive enough to think no one is biased, but at the same time, you get feelings on people and I have good feelings about everyone I've met so far at Reaper. (ReaperBryan even felt me inappropreatly! Just kidding, much love RB) Until I see a reason to think they are unfair, I like to trust that the human race is not so far lost.

     

    I think the elephant in the room may be, "What did you enter, Maya? What did it rate, and what do you belive it should have rated? Why do you think it should have rated that, and did you take the opportunity that the judges gave (from Painting Contest info post) to ask them what made your mini fit into that category?"

     

    I entered the Gnomish Bard

    It rated a Bronze

    I expected a Certificate

    This Saturday at Paint Club I'm going to ask Anne what I need to do to push it to Silver. (Would have done it at the Con but I live around here and didn't want to take up a visitor's time)

     

    (An attempt to lighten the mood, may be twisted by the internet into fanning flames...)

    Good God! Organizing events since you were 12! Are their no child labor laws in this country. (runs around screaming, "Someone think of the children!!!!")

     

     

    Elephant in the room.. Heh, as I told one of the sculptors, I entered and expected to get nothing,b ecause I do not paint in the style they like. The contest was not my primary reason for attending, but I did garner two bronzes. It was those comments from the judges in the display room that ticked me off. There is nothing fair about prejudging anyone's work when the entries have no even closed. It is totally unprofessional to blab it in full volume where anyone could overhear. No wonder people were complaining about how it was run. Most people would not complain at all because they will be entering next year. I don't have that problem. I never had. If there is an injustice that I see, then it should be righted.

     

    Yes, I was homeschooled and at 12 I was a docent at the Alabama Department of History, leading tours in three galleries, hosting monthly speaker events and was a full-time on a dig under the mentorship of two archaeologists. At 13 I won a grant from the Endowment for the Humanities to conduct and publish my own research. At 14 I wrote a chapter for the archaeologists to be included in the digs final publications and at 15 I was asked by a third archaeologist to write a chapter that would be included in another historical digs final publication. At 12 I was not just a helper for running events, I was doing my own at that age. They ranged from small groups of a hundred to several thousand for Tae Kwon Do tournaments. Just like time doesn't equal quality, age doesn't give experience. :)

  15. Having an open system PLUS a "true" contest embedded in it, defeats the entire concept of an open contest.

    So what you are saying here is that either they should go with a competition based contest OR an open system only? That there is no way the two can exist side by side?

     

     

    There is no way they can exist side by side when you have judges making their picks and saying they have decided on the trophy winners before entry taking is even closed. But it was misleading to tell public that this was to be the open concept where it is based against a standard but not that the standard was for one style only.

     

    The original complaints are getting lost here. They were "pros winning". By "pro" in this case it is people who paint for Reaper or paint-jobs Reaper commissioned where before all of Reapers staff and commissioned painters had their own category, which was fair in most entrants eyes. "The unfairness". Means you need independent people judging. It kills any question of unfairness and frankly, Reaper staff, contract painters entering, judges entering and judging and winning, all of this comes across as unfair no matter how you slice it or how well intentioned, or how many safeguards are there. It will never come across any other way. And for gods sake, have your judges, independent or not, NOT discuss their already made up choices in the hallway, or crowded display room while you are still taking entries. Unprofessional and unfair.

  16. As someone who comes from the historical side of things, I have been hearing many of these complaints for years, and really I have come to two conclusions, 1) The Open System is the only fair way to go, kudos to Reaper for usng it (and kudos to Anne for mentioning Shep Paine and Doug Cohen) and 2) you aren't going to change peoples' minds, if they want to find fault with something, they will. WRT 54mm (or larger) being easier to paint than minis; while I am amazed at what can be accomplished with minis, I say try a 54mm or larger, it's a whole dfferent ball game.

     

     

    I agree with number 1. IF you kill the trophy part of the contest. OR have a plain ordinary contest. It is hard to change peoples minds when they have observed and overhead a lot of things that should not have happened.

  17. Your comments about style...well have you noticed that your style is not unconventional? It is in the style that won last year and this year, even though there were much better styles available in this years showing.

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    Maya, you're kind of shooting yourself in the foot here. You're arguing for more objectiveness, while apparently unable to be objective yourself. If different styles should be able to compete objectively, how can one be better than another?

     

     

    Why am I shooting myself in the foot, I'm not a judge. :) If asked to judge I would not, because I could recognize too many peoples work to be objective. That is the point. Different styles SHOULD be able to compete objectively, THAT is the thought behind the open system. Something that is not working here because there is no objectivity. The open system works because it has no true competitiveness to it. Having an open system PLUS a "true" contest embedded in it, defeats the entire concept of an open contest.

  18. So what happens the next year then Maya? You can't use those same judges and you have to find new ones. What happens when there's no one left?

     

    Saying that you don't have to know how to paint in order to appreciate good paint jobs--sure to a degree though and then the painting wouldn't be the thing getting judged it would be another version of CoolMiniorNot just in person. There is already a format for that kind of format--just go to their website and enter their competitions. Reaper is different and trying to bring a different format to the fantasy/sci fi miniature arena.

     

    If this happened I would not take Reaper Con seriously at all.

     

     

    Urm...you do what true art contests and most form of creative contests do...you get other people. Unless the world ends, you are not going to run out of judges!!

     

    No, it would not be another version of CMoN because you have a set group of educated people judging each time. Reapers form of "different" is what people are saying they don't like in the complaints.

     

    If you look at the complaints, there are already people NOT taking the Reaper Con contest seriously at all.

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