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  1. 7 hours ago, Green Eyed Monsty said:

    I agree, we are splitting hairs.

    But this is the meat and potatoes of understanding the full ramifications of history.

    Here's my line of reasoning:

    Without Pearl Harbor the isolationists in the USA still have enough influence to keep the US Armed Forces sidelined.

    The massive support of the British Isles in the form of both food and war materials doesn't ramp up as quickly,  possibly making a difference in Hitler invading and conquering Great Britain.

    The Norwegian Heavy Water Project isn't crippled so Hitlers research into an Atomic Bomb isn't impeded.  We know now that the Nazi's were mere months away from having a working A-Bomb, which would have been delivered to the Continental USA by intercontinental range bombers that would have been in production by 1946.

    The Manhattan Project is delayed from being started up by months while the USA dithers about getting into the shooting war.

    Many of the projects the Nazi's were close to completing, such as expanded sub pens in France, would have been completed, as would additional launch sites for V-1 and V-2 rockets/ballistic missiles.

    Lend/lease would have started shipping great quantities of food and military supplies to the Soviet Union later, possibly making enough of a difference to tip the balance in the German's Russian Campaign. [I appreciate the key role the Russian Winter played in stalling the German Advance]

    I see the Soviet Union as not becoming a true World Power until the end stage of WWII, with the territory they wrested from the Nazi's and occupied becoming the core for their client states that kept the Soviet Economy viable for longer than it would have without such clients.  Without the {as characterized by Churchill}  "Iron Curtain"  there would have been much more trade between the Eastern Europe Nations and the West, loosening the hold Moscow as able to exert over these nations much sooner than actually occurred.

    I'm treading very close to what used to be beekeeper territory so I will leave it at this.



    Well played!

    Very well played.



    As you say, we are in counter-factual territory, so this is all entirely speculative.

    So a few more of my counter arguments:

    1) Before Pearl Harbour USN is already in a shooting war with the Kreigsmaine. Sooner or later the loss of American ships and lives is going to trigger a war. I don't see the isolationists being able to stop this.

    2) The Russians stop The Germans at the gates of Moscow before any significant Anglo-American help arrives. After that the Germans are stuck in a 2-front war. It will last longer and be even bloodier without US help, but I can't see the Germans achieving anything better than a very painful stalemate.

    3) The German Heavy Water plant is destroyed by the indigenous Norwegian Resistance movement. This is still likely to happen even without outside help. Also I'd like to hear your references to the Germans being close to having the atom bomb. They lacked anything on the scale of Manhattan Project and most of their physicists (and Hitler) denigrated the "Jewish science" that would lead the required research. And even if they had got the Bomb, the emasculated Luftwaffe had almost no chance of delivering anywhere.


    Another pivotal point that I prefer: Winston Churchill steps out into to cross Fifth Avenue in 1932, looks the wrong way and gets hit by a taxi, hospitalised for a month. If this had been slightly more serious Churchill could easily have died. In that case a British compromise peace is much more likely after the Fall of France, Hitler avoids a 2-front War and we are in an entirely new ball-game.


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  2. 3 hours ago, Green Eyed Monsty said:

    My statement is based on the Pearl Harbor attack blasting the USA off of dead center and silencing the opposition of the isolationists.  Without Pearl Harbor it would have been months before the USA was actively involved [and yes I do recognize the already ramping up war production plus the effects of the military draft] , allowing Hitler more time to tighten his grip on Europe and devote more resources earlier to the Russian Front.  Germany might even have achieved a working Atomic Bomb first..

    You nominate some excellent candidates but I stand by my opinion.


    All good points and we are probably splitting hairs but...


    By "pivotal moment" I take that to mean one singular event that makes a noticeable change to the whole world, and I just don't think that Pearl Harbour qualifies as that. A world war was already in progress for 2 years. (More if you include Japanese aggression in China.) So PH was just the final taking of sides. As I've stated earlier, USA was already the worlds No.1 industrial power and had been so since before WWI. It was inevitable that she would eventually become a major military power, WW2 merely forced the pace.


    Let's not forget that it is Hitler who declares war on USA, not the other way around.

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  3. 14 hours ago, Green Eyed Monsty said:

    It can be argued that this act was the pivotal event of the 20th Century.

    Lets all have a moment of silence in respect of the memories of those who sacrificed so much so that those who came after could live free.



    Politely, I think not. America was already "Top Nation" in terms of productivity and potential. Japan was a second rate nation that only got as far as she did because she had been under-estimated and ignored. (As FDR sensibly recognised; Germany was the bigger threat.)


    Pivotal moments? Bolshevik revolution or Cockcroft and Watson splitting the atom are better candidates.


    But yes, deepest respect to all who fought and made sacrifices to defeat those tyrannies.

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  4. 1 hour ago, TGP said:

    DEC 6

    Which do you like better Dawn or Sunset? Have you ever seen either from the air?


    Very happy with both. Perhaps dawn wins out as it PROBABLY means that I get to enjoy at least one more day.


    Seen both from the air, in fact I once saw 2 sunsets in a row, with no sunrise in between. (Going westward on Concorde.)


    Saw "the Green Flash" during one spectacular sunset in the Caribbean.

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  5. On 12/3/2021 at 5:08 PM, Chaoswolf said:

    Today's date(12/3/21) is the same in every direction. Theres your neat little fact for the day.



    In other news, it is national bartender day. Who makes up all these days, and how do I apply for that job?


    Only if you use the weird American system of date notation.


    Ninja'd by Sumbloke, teach me to read a whole thread before replying.

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  6. 10 hours ago, TGP said:

    DEC 4
    Who here has ever been in a storm at sea; what is the foulest storm you’ve been in?

    Where do I begin?

    Swinging the lamp:

    Was stuck behind Hurricane Katarina for 2 days off Yucatan, a few days before it got to Florida, even a 250.000 ton tanker could not move against that.

    Been in big ones of Capes of Good hope and Horn, nasty ones in Sea of Japan and Japan, but probably the worst was the sudden onslaught of a Mistral in the Mediterranean. Lost the Main Engine and went beam on in Force 10 on that one.

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  7. On 12/3/2021 at 5:35 AM, TGP said:

    OK. I’ll bite, why did your ship go the Looooong way?


    (Osaka, Japan to Kuwait is 7800~ nm for the whole voyage, if going via Singapore then past India. Osaka just to Cape Horn alone is 9000+ nm.)


    2 changes of orders during the voyage. First stop was meant to be Ecuador. That got changed to US Gulf (but we were too big to go through Panama) and once we had got into mid-Atlantic it changed again to the Arabian Gulf. I sweated conkers over whether we had the fuel to do this. 

    On 12/3/2021 at 12:15 PM, Chaoswolf said:

    In that case, it would be the deployment right after 9/11. We were at sea for 92 days from leaving home port to pulling in to another port.


    Where did you go to waste 3 solid months?

    On 12/3/2021 at 3:32 PM, TGP said:

    DEC 3

    Emergency preparations: do you practice for emergencies?


    As I am currently with RNLi I do little else.

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  8. On 12/1/2021 at 12:54 PM, TGP said:

    DEC 1

    Is going on a cruise something you’d consider doing? If you’ve never done that, what was the longest voyage on salt water you have ever made?


    My God No, All cruise liners are just so many disasters waiting to happen, believe me.


    To the many Armed forces responses here, sad that you don't understand what a voyage is: It isn't the length of a deployment, it is a distance between ports. Probably my longest was Osaka in Japan to Kuwait via Cape Horn, about 7 weeks of steady slow steaming.

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  9. 14 hours ago, TheAuldGrump said:

    Pfff... pikers, the lot off them.


    You do not have true Gelatinous EVIL until you sample eels in gelatin. The good news is that they provide their own gelatin!


    Just boil them and let them set.


    Serve with vinegar, eat with a spoon.


    The Auld Grump - Megan can confirm, I have served jellied eel for a steampunk game.


    Add a good dash of lemon juice and crushed black peppercorns to that, Grump, delicious.




    Or, even better, have the full meal of eels, pie and mash:




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  10. 3 hours ago, Inarah said:

    Nov. 24: If you had a choice between a vintage figure of your dreams and a new limited or unreleased figure which would you choose? 


    The new figure. Classic items have their charm, but the advances made in manufacturing techniques make the best recent figures superlative. 

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  11. 1 hour ago, ManvsMini said:


    Have you ever seen Clash of the Titans (1981 version)? So I want one wall to be like Zeus's place where he keeps figures of mortals, with alcoves for each of my minis to fit perfectly, and it magically adjusts to make more space for every newly completed mini, though the size of the room never grows from the dimensions it occupies in the house (it's kind of a T.A.R.D.I.S. hobby room, bigger on the inside).


    Another wall has dual industrial strength fume hoods so I can spray any aerosol or paint or pour nasty resins and not have it stink up the room or any of the house. Occupying one corner in a large L shape are several sturdy tables, sized appropriately for me to sit at, housing an assembling station, painting station and a miscellaneous staging area. Lots of wall-mounted bins. The other walls are filled with shelves for paints, materials, a peg board rack to hang mini blisters on.


    There's a couple dog beds on the floor for Molly and Dixie. The temperature in the room is kept at 77 degrees, and comfortable humidity. Right down the middle of the room is a heavy table to build terrain and scenery on. And there is plenty of adequate lighting, the nice daylight kind... and it also helps to get vitamin D so I don't have to actually go outside for it... and there's a full private bathroom. And a mini-fridge that never runs out of Coke.


    Hey, you asked for a dream room, not a feasible one.


    I absolutely agreed with every word of this until we got to the last word in the penultimate paragraph.


    A decent single malt would be preferable.

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  12. 15 hours ago, Green Eyed Monsty said:

    If I ever again have a pain free day I will know that I am officially dead.  ::(:


    Who buys the industrial size bottles of painkillers on too regular a basis.


    I read the newspaper every morning before getting out of bed.


    If I'm not in the obituaries I get up.

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  13. 53 minutes ago, Green Eyed Monsty said:

    Some of these ships are now so big they can't fit through the Panama Canal, so port call options are limited and require extra planning and lead times.


    Most of the monster ships just run to the major ports. (Felixstowe for UK. Rotterdam for Western Europe. Then the containers get transferred to smaller "feeder" container ships to distribute to smaller ports. Of course this doesn't get rid of the problem of limited port and storage capacity.


    The shipping industry in fact has excess capacity. (The S Koreans subsidise their ship-building industry and just churn out container ships rather than lose votes/backhanders) The real problem is distribution form ports and moving empty containers

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