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  1. My point exactly. Reaper is a business. And doing away with the 3-packs and going with the big boxes and single packs is bad for business.


    The assumption behind the move, I think, is that only Warlord players buy Warlord figures. This is totally false. Now, this is only my own experience talking, but out of the six people I know who buy Warlord minis, not one of us plays the game. We all buy them for conversions and use in other games (typically RPGs). And of the three local shops only one had or knew of a game of Warlord that was going, and it's been closed for nearly two years now.


    It may make sense for the players of the game, to package the grunts in big box, where they can get a bunch of the same kind. The game evidently features scenarios that require a lot of the exact same thing.


    But those of us who were spending sometimes hundreds a month on $13 3-packs now have only two options: buy a bunch of identical singles at $5 to $6 a-piece (no way!) or buy too many of only one type for $40. I'm sorry, but my experience tells me that we are the majority of the customer base. We who don't play. This may be a good move for the (admittedly perceived by me) minority who do play it, but it simultaneously alienates what seems to me to be the majority of the customers for this line.


    Maybe Reaper has some means of tracking how many units actually sell off the shelves as compared to how many are ending up in games. I doubt it, but okay. All I have to go on are conversations with my local hobby shop managers and owners. None of us knows of a local game, so who's buying all the Warlord? Me and my RPG buddies.


    We can disagree on this. Maybe where you guys are all anybody plays is Warlord. Reaper is a great company with some good ideas and some bad ideas. To me, the PPMs are a really, really good idea. The big boxes and no more 3-packs are a really, really bad idea.

  2. The good news for my local game store is that I ran out last night and bought some three-packs while I could. I intend to go back tomorrow now that I have paycheck firmly in hand.


    Finally got the Reptus packs I've coveted for so long. Tomorrow I get more beastmen and skellies (archers). Maybe some Mercs or Crusaders, if I can find some room on a card.

  3. If you want to just stick with the smallish games of 500-750 points, then you still have the option of getting the individual blisters to make your flavorfully varied armies.

    That's the point - 3-figure blisters are going away and only possible options remaining will be 9-figure army pack or 1-figure blister. I wouldn't rise the matter if 3-fig blisters were here to stay <_<


    Is that the official word? I didn't hear anything about the 3-figure packs going away. There tends to be a lot of negative speculation when something new is released or announced, and I'd really like to know if this is true in this case.


    It would be a bad idea to go that way. Some of us do not play Warlord, but buy the grunts to round out armies in our RPGs or other games. I'm not going to shell out $40 at a time to get more than I need of any one type. If I need some archers, some guys with axes and some guys with swords, I want to know that I can still get the 3-packs to do that.


    Anybody? Is this just hot air, or an official stance?



    EDIT: I just tried to get up a pack of skeletal archers in the Asylum and could only get the 11 pack, so I guess it's true. I love Reaper, but I have to say this is a PHENOMINALLY BAD MOVE. You just lost half the business I gave you, and I am sure I am not the only person this will affect.


    WAKE UP CALL: Actual Warlord players make up a rather small percentage of the people who buy the Warlord stuff, at least in my neck of the woods. I don't know a single Warlord player, and I happen to know there are no games in our area, but I know our local hobby shop sells lots of Warlord to guys like me who want it for other reasons. Honestly, if I have to shell out $40 to get skeletal archers, I simply won't be buying any more skeletal archers.


    Nice one.

  4. I use plenty of Warlord and DHL and a few Warhammers here and there in my RPGs (plus minis from plenty of other companies), and except occasionally for how they are based, or a specific stylization of equipment, none of the players is any the wiser.


    Most of the big companies are making minis to scale with each other, whether they know it or not, and the differences, when they exist, are no more than the difference between yourself and buddy who happens to be half an inch taller or shorter than yourself.



  5. UPS and Fed Ex (and most couriers, for that matter) require that you wait at least 24 hours from the time of shipping before information in their systems becomes relevant. If you live close to the distribution point, or the business world happens to be having a slow week (thus hastening your delivery), it is quite possible for you to receive your package before it shows up in tracking.


    This seems to be even more the case with home deliveries, which typically don't seem to be prioritized, information-wise, like business deliveries, but which often get the same quick treatment, delivery-wise.


    ::D: I track a lot of packages in my work.

  6. Anything from Ben Seins in the pipeline?

    There's a new Ben Siens model in our Gallery - Dark Heaven Legends, the 3200's Gallery.


    And it's very cool. I've been painting up guys in full plate to use as golems of this type, but it'll be nice to have one with a golem-like face. Good for warforged, too.



    On the WoW tiff, I too, am against too much proliferation of that style anywhere. There's no need for one style to take over everything, everywhere, all the time. I mean, my favorite car was my '69 Mustang sans vinyl top, but I wouldn't want every manufacturer in the world to model their cars exactly like that one. It would just get boring and silly.

  7. But so far, townsfolk haven't been announced (just the previously announced Orcs & Skellies and such) - this is just purely wish-listing, right?


    Yes -- and I still think people should be wishing for some giant/demons/monstrous humanoids/aberrations so that we get them too. So far I'm the one of the only ones actually mentioning it, most others are just assuming they'll make the others.


    Why leave it up to chance? Look through Reaper's catalog, find the monster sculpts that would be awesome in plastic, and post to the thread!


    Chance? It's about the fairest assumption I can possibly imagine. Really, what are the chances Reaper won't make those other things just because a few people "wish-listed" for some commoners? Nil.


    This thread is titled "Townsfolk." Perhaps a new monster wish-list thread is in order?


    (Seriously, though, I don't think it's a battle that needs to be fought. You're going to get monsters out your ears without asking, you must know that.)

  8. You know I started this thread to see what people would like to see Reaper produced , not have a philosophical discussion . Could we please get back on topic and stop threadjacking . :angry:


    If you are referring to the legal discussion, it is on-topic. It's relevant because during the course of discussing what we'd like to see, the question of whether it would be legal for Reaper to produce it comes up.


    I shall demonstrate this relevance by saying that I, too, would like a nice, big "eyebeast" (bigger than the little metal one I already have), since those beholders in the DDM lines seem so difficult to get hold of. And while we're talking D&D-compatible, gimme some squid-faced dudes of more than just the robe-and-staff variety. The pirate dude in the metal line, I have, but something else roguish like that would be very cool. And throw in those astral reavers to go with him!

  9. You can't copyright even a name, you can trade mark it, but not copyright it.

    A copyright is a protection under Title 17 of the U.S. Code offered to the authors of literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and other intellectual properties, whether published, or unpublished, it protects the particular manner in which a work's contents, and ideas are expressed.

    You cannot copyright ideas, facts, titles, short phrases, slogans, or names, however some of these like names can be trademarked.


    There are some protections given to the name becuase it is used in a copyrighted aspect, but if you look up Beholder, Illithid, and many other names in the Trademark database, they aren't there (or are but in different relationships the only current Trademark on "Beholder" is form a Russian Company and it deals with computer stuff.) Dungeons and Dragons as a Trademark is all over that database, but Beholder or Illitihid isn't.


    As a copyright holder of several songs, I should have been better informed on that point. Thanks for the clarification.

  10. Legendary Encounters - Dire Mule!


    I still have a hard time believing that there's more of a demand for mules than Totally Sweet Demons. Maybe it's just my style of play.


    But totally sweet demons are a given. You KNOW they are going to make those. This is a wish list. On a wish list you put things you might not be able to get otherwise.


    A dire mule sounds like a lot of fun, actually.

  11. Additionally, many of the "hard to find" monsters are owned completely by Wizards of the Coast, and are not found in the SRD, which complicates matters further. WotC can never and will never own a copyright on an ogre, but I'll bet a kopru or nycaloth, for instance, would be a slightly harder case. All that is also ignoring the fact that WotC's DDM line will ALWAYS be the place to find oddball monsters, since they don't have to worry as much that nobody will buy the Extradimensional Brain Eater blisterpack even though they're selling out of ogres. Reaper's line will be a great place to find fantasy classics that have been around forever, not stuff in the Monster Manual XXXVIII.



    (Also, to echo a few other posters, bring on the Slithe! Fishmen rock!)


    WoTC can't copyright simple concepts, only specifics. They can copyright the name of the monster, and the monster's backstory. They can copyright the game mechanic that allows for the construction of the monster, and limit you from instructing other people in how to make the monster's stats. They can try to make a case in court if they think that the total package of another designer's concept for a monster has crossed one or more of those lines (but they'd likely lose unless the theft was complete and obvious).


    They can't, however, copyright the generic physical conception of a monster. Take the mind-flayer, for example. The names, mind-flayer and illithid, appear in copyrighted material. WoTC owns that intellectual property. In context of the story, the same creature's ability to suck out a brain, and the use of psionics, though not copyrightable alone, can be considered aspects native to the creature. The backstory Wizards creates to explain how the illithid came to be, is their intellectual property, too. As are any pictures of the creature they have published. What that means is that you can't make a squid-faced dude, give him the power to suck brains and use mind powers, and call him an illithid (and you especially can't use their art to illustrate it). And that's all that means.


    The concept of a twisted, skinny creature with a squid face itself, is not, and cannot be Wizards' copyrighted intellectual property. It's a chimera. A combination of naturally-occurring aspects that any human being could come up with. As a simple concept, it belongs to nobody. I could design a new game, populate it with squid guys, call them Squiddudes, make them good guys from the planet Neptune, and give them the power to swim and squirt ink, illustrated with all-new pictures of my own, and Wizards couldn't do a thing about it. That's why they can't sue Disney for making Davey Jones the way they did in the most recent Pirates movie. That's why the estate of H.P. Lovecraft hasn't sued TSR or Wizards for essentially populating their world with little Cthulhus. And it's why Reaper has their own line of little squid-faced dudes.


    Check out the wiki entry for illithids, and you'll see how many other creatures exist out there, independent of D&D, that look like mind-flayers, and even have some of the same powers. Many of these existed before D&D was invented. Some came along after. The concept of a squid dude is generic. The whole of the package and the accompanying art may be "Product Identity," but that's not much more than a name, really. And that's true for most of all their monsters, which nearly all have relations and inspirations out in other forms of fiction. Product Identity in this case, is really a fancy way of making you pay money if you want the little extras, like putting illithids in your third-party supplement, or adding the D&D logo to it.



  12. I set a lot of action in town, so I use townsfolk extensively. Like many here, my townsfolk all remain unpainted, because I devote a great deal of my time to painting monsters and major PCs (and terrains, and other weird but important things).


    I don't buy the argument that because minis are for combat you don't need townsfolk. Don't any combats ever take place in town? A lot of mine do. My group has rarely ever indulged in your standard, cliche barfight, yet we've gotten use out of them, because there have been plenty of instances where a town or village was attacked.


    Townsfolk minis are needed to represent the innocents the party are there to protect. Like normal, panicky people, they get in the way, get captured, cornered, hurt, etc. Some of them jump in to help. By limiting his combats to dungeons with monsters, a GM is denying himself a great resource for tension, action, high stakes play, etc.


    I'm all for townsfolk in the PPM line.


    I'm also for horses. I buy a lot of the aforementioned Toobs for my kid. The horses are actually usually larger than 25mm - 28mm scale. They also look like plastic toys, which is what they are. They are not detailed minis.


    Granted, it would be more in the vein of the hobby to create a mounted/unmounted pack, where the horse in question belonged to a dynamic character. Still, that would be something fun as an alternative to the very expensive GW LoTR minis, which is the only other current line I can think of right now that is doing that.


    I am even more in favor of horses for the metal line. I like to mount minis (I know I am not the only one). A nice line of unmounted horses, which could be used unmounted, or in conversions, would be very nice.

  13. Aboleth(I can dream, can't I?)



    I got tired of waiting and made one from sculptey!


    Stop taunting me! I saw it on hordelings and it's awesome.



    It is awesome. Very cool.


    Speaking of fish, it's probably been mentioned, but more fishmen would be extremely cool. We just bought three packs of the slythe warriors (my boy loves fish, sharks, fishmen, anything ocean related). Having enough to totally swarm a big ship would be very cool.


    I still don't have a sahuagin from the DDM line, but I can see getting one as a captain for a whole gang of slythe. And I have some ocean voyage stuff coming up in my campaign later this year... heh heh heh...

  14. The trade off for the bent weapons and bases with (at least DDM) PPM is the ability to collect a large horde quickly & at a low cost. I have about a 20 or so metal orcs painted lovingly through the years. 2 have broken, the rest are fine (the broken ones are really old, like from th elate 70s). In three years of DDM, I have about six times that number of orcs. I can field a whole orc raiding party, and it looks very good, despite a few bent things.


    Personally, I think the trade off is worth. Now, if the new Reaper PPMs don't have bending issues, that would really be great, and I be even more likely to buy them in quantity. But if they bend some but are as durable as DDM, I'd be okay with that. I'd prefer that over ones that break instead of bend.


    I agree. Flexibility is always preferable. The DDMs glue back together as well as anything else when they DO break. That also is preferable to something more brittle, which might lose little bits in the breaking.


    It's actually something the DDM plastic and the metal minis have in common: much more bending and much less actually fracturing, ala resin or some other.


    Personally, I have not yet been able to effectively straighten the DDM stuff permanently, and a lot of what I have is bent. But I have seen people who have. I have seen their pictures. I believe it can be done. It just takes time to learn, like any other part of this hobby.


    Look, everything is doable. Everything is fixable and convertible. You just need to learn new skills to accomplish it, sometimes.

  15. Wow, is everyone on this board so rude? I hope not, or guess I won't be here much.

    No, but we can be passionate.


    Passion is a wonderful thing. I am passionate about my minis, too. But I don't think any of this is at all the end of the world.


    Mankind has been making models in metal practically since it first discovered how to use metal at all, and I don't think it's going to ever go the way of the dodo.


    Probably better to keep our heads about us. I'm not a big fan of the DDM plastic, either, but I don't begrudge the people who know how to manipulate it better than I. I envy them.

  16. I live a half hour from Bruce Hirst and everything but pre-painted stuff is in the Decline. There are some talented hobiest around. Perhaps too talented since people seem so intimidated if they can't turn out first rate stuff as soon as they touch a brush. Some of us picked up a bit of Warmachine stuff but I was the only one seriously painting them. Everyone is playing with plastics or playing Warcraft.


    I don't think you can fairly judge the rise or decline of the hobby off of Warmachine. Everybody I knew had high hopes for it, but only one guy I know ever bought any of it. At the same time, when the same hobby shop couldn't get rid of their Warmachine stock, their terrains area grew three times its original size, their stock tripled and then regularly began to sell out. The same store says that Reaper metals are selling better than ever (their words as of last Sunday), and they have a large (not huge) Warhammer customer base (there's actually a GW store in the area, which sucks away business). I, myself visit the store and buy hundreds of dollars of unpainted Reaper stuff a month.


    I respect that you live near Bruce, but that doesn't tell me whether his sales are on the decline. He is producing new molds like a crazy man, which might suggest not. I wonder if you can point to something less general to show us why you think the hobby is dying? You said everyone is playing with plastics or playing Warcraft? That does happen everywhere, but is it possible the rise you speak of is regional. Like I said, the opposite is happening here.


    In any case, every hobby has ups and downs. Since human beings have been carving or scultping, and then painting tiny figures pretty much since civilization began, I hardly think you'll ever be without the means to continue the trend.


    My advice? If you want to save your cool hobbies, involve kids. My boy loves minis, and has begun to finally seriously paint them with me. He loves prepainteds, plastic toys and video games, too. But I think that unlike the generation before his, it's no longer a matter of embracing one cool thing to the exclusion of the others. For him, it's about loving all the cool things. That gives me hope.

  17. I don't have anything against what Reaper is doing but I do see a decline in hands on hobbies.


    Really? Wait. Do you mean you foresee it, or you see it happening now? If you do, I wonder if that's only regional?


    I ask because, where I live, minis and terraining stuff (trains, wargames, model ships, etc.) are EXPLODING! Our local toy and hobby shops have greatly expanded their terrain sections and are regularly out of things I want to buy :angry:


    Everyone I know in the hobby has now heard of and played on Hirst Arts stuff, and that site is also booming.


    I can't get through a Michael's without waiting for half an hour in line.

  18. A set of generic horses, sans riders would be nice, too.


    How many times have GMs ambushed parties at night, and have the whole camp mapped out/set up, figs for all the PCs lying in their beds, all the orc raiders encircling the camp, but no riderless horses to show where they're all tied up?


    I used to use the GW plastic horses for this, but they broke too easily, plus I never got them painted up.


    Then make some metal PC figs with unmounted and mounted versions of the same figure that fit the plastic horses.


    Just the horses would be enough for me. Before our most recent campaign started, I searched everywhere for riderless horses for just the use you mentioned. Most all I could find were out-of-scale from overseas, or in-scale from overseas for a lot of money, all of them Old West style. I finally managed to scrounge up a few medieval-looking horses from various packs from GW and others, but spent a good deal of money doing it.

  19. What might be nice are two-adventurer packs in the spirit of those old Ral Parthas, where you got a male and female of the same type. Like a male and a female fighter, male and female druid, male and female rogue, etc.


    It would never happen, but a real unique idea would be an adventurer pack, with a full party ready to go. Come to think of it, I do have an old box of Grenadier minis that came that way, so it's not so uncommon an idea.

  20. I think what will help Reaper's line is the non random, I recall Wiz' wanting to put out combat packs, but decided against that, why I have no idea, just makes sense if your a DM wanting 10 orc for a game & all your getting on goofy mushroom men or similar. Then again it the "HIGHLY COLLECTIBLE" BS factor.





    I'm speculating here -


    I think one of the reason that collectable card games, and miniatures do so well is that there is the unknown factor that you might get something rare and valuable.


    I see it this way - a DM knows that they need 10 orcs for a game - they can buy a box of figures and hope they get 10 - or they can buy a non-blind pack and get 10. Now in a random pack - if they don't get 10, they will probably buy another box or 2 until they can get what they need. (At least, this has been my experience at my FLGS) However, with a non-blind pack, they get 10 and they are set. They won't need to buy orcs again.


    So if you release a non-blind pack, you are pretty much going to sell to your core target market within a few weeks and then sales are going to drop off - since those who want will have, and those that don't won't pick it up. You might get a few casual sales down the road for DMs who need more orks, or people who are just getting into the line. I guess this is the same for metal figures too, however. D&D groups would buy as many DHL orcs as they would need for their game, and that would be it.


    Where CCGs and CMGs get people hooked is that there is a random assortment with a chance of getting rare powerful cards or figures - which keeps people buying. There is the same sense of excitement as there are for gamblers in that there is the uncertain probability that you will get something rare and valuable in a pack.



    On the one hand, you're right; there is a sort of gambling factor that causes some buyers to keep buying closed boxes in the hope that they will eventually get something good, and that does probably boost sales, overall. On the other hand, I don't think that's what Haldir was referring to when mentioning the "BS factor." I think Haldir meant that it sucks that you can't just buy what you want or need, under the pretense of "rareness" and "collectibility." And I agree, that IS BS. I have a very strong feeling that just as with the comics industry in the '80s and '90s, all of this "rare" and "special collectors" nonsense is going to end with the supposedly rares being not worth much at all in ten years. Just as with Magic: The Gathering, where, yeah, for a short while the cards were going on eBay for pretty good cash, while eBay was new and the game was relevant. But eventually, mass-produced means mass produced, and that means a lot. And a lot can't truly be rare and holds no true value for collectors, down the road.


    Thus, both my local comics shop and local hobby shop only give store credit for comics/cards you bring them, and at that waaayy under value. So obviously, the collectibility racket is just that: a scam. A marketing technique. Which is BS.


    But on the subject of whether open box stuff can have repeat customers, let's not underestimate the human (and especially gamer) compulsion to buy. Just because I bought a box of ten orcs a year ago, doesn't mean I don't want the new orc box when it comes out. I probably do, not only because they're newer and cooler, but because I either have a new game hook which requires them, or looking at them, I come up with one.


    Right now, I buy eight to twelve Reaper packs a month. Sometimes I buy things only slightly different to what I've purchased before. Sometimes I buy the same thing, if I need more of something at a time, or I'm doing some sort of conversion. Most of the time, I buy on a whim, because I'm inspired.


    I don't imagine it will be different with the plastics. I already buy D&D minis because I'm hoping to get something inspiring that can be dropped easily into next week's game. But sometimes I pass, because I know I'm likely to be disappointed. But if I had a choice to actually know what I was buying? To be guaranteed to have something to drop in already painted? That's the ideal situation.


    What I'm saying is that prepainted minis satisfactorily fulfill an already existing compulsion to buy. As long as they release something decent and new every month, they'll have plenty of people like me buying it.

  21. I posted once or twice, long ago, and since then the forums seem to have forgotten my name (had to re-register). But I suppose that the enormous loyalty I have shown in buying multiple packs of Reaper from my local hobby store nearly every week, for several years, not to mention a strong record of online purchases from The Asylum, afford me the right to chime in here.


    Personally, I see this as only a good thing. Do I have a slight flutter in my stomach at the possibility that maybe this will affect the metal figs in some unseen way as yet unknown to us all? Sure, yeah. But I choose to believe Reaper when they say that this is not their intention and it should not have any adverse effects.


    When I stopped by this morning and saw the news, I was stoked. For a lot of good reasons.


    The main is that I have wanted someone to do this, package prepainteds this way, for a long, long time. My little boy will love not having to gamble on what is in the D&D boxes, and still get plastic he can be a little bit rougher with, without having to worry about one of his daddy's favorite conversions hitting the ground and fracturing. You have my assurance that this will keep Reaper seeing green, as my weekly or monthly gaming money switches from some Reaper/some WoTC, to mostly just Reaper.


    The other great reason is the pure, unmitigated satisfaction in removing the main argument encountered over on the Distinguished Competition's forums, when recommending (as I too, too many times, have) Reaper as an alternative. That is, "But, whah! I don't LIKE painting anything!" Well, now they don't have to. Nothing could have satisfied me more. Reaper is and has always been the superior product, and if the prepainteds are as good, there will be one fewer argument against, and I think, eventually a great deal more uniformity on the table, and harmony as more players grow to understand that you CAN get just what you want, and you CAN try new things without violating some invisible code.


    I seriously doubt this will diminish the hobby we love, of painting and converting and showing our metal figs off. How can it be any skin off the nose of those of us who paint to let someone else have something prepared for them? It doesn't. It's the same as when someone commissions the service. People will still love to do it the way they are used to, and others will still love to see it done. But more choice is a good thing. A thing to grow the hobby, and I can't wait to see these things!

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