Bob the Inquisitor

It's not just you. They also don't come across as the kind of army that really requires more poses than, say, the IMEF marines. If I had to guess, this is Reaper shoulder-checking Mantic into a row of lockers while they pass in the hall.

Read what he wrote. Seems like Bryan over reacted to me. EDIT: Nevermind the rest. The UFO looks like it has potential.

There are tons upon tons of dragons to choose from of all sizes though. As much as I agree with you that dragons are awesome. I always opted for the odd creature. Like last KS Cthulhu was too awesome to pass up even though I dont even play the table top nor do I really read any of the books. Leaving Dragons and the old one out of the picture can you think of anything else that would be well known enough to warrant a miniature that would even be as close in epicness to a dragon or Cthulhu? Perhaps some other lovecraft creature that most people wouldnt eve know is all that comes to my mind. Not-Godzilla or a giant mech/clockwork colossos?

Bryan said the goals are more but smaller compared to Exp1, so that the unlocks arent so far apart this time. That's a very good move.

Sell them with a Bones pedestal and call them "Weathered Statues"? "Medusa's Lair Boxed Set"?

That should say every customer that contacted me received a Gift certificate to compensate. We cannot, however, afford to give out 18,000 gift certificates, so it's only something we did for the very upset. As it is we're sitting on literally thousands of dollars in unsellable inventory. Regardless, if it's a point of contention, I will make it right. I have to. If you haven't shipped out the Kaladrax tail for order #5379, I would appreciate it. If you have...Well, I don't want to cost you guys too much in shipping. That's an awful lot of unsellable stock. However, have you thought about putting out Bones upgrade packs with sprues of hands, possibly holding guns or wands or daggers? If you were to sell those, you could then shift the Juliettes along with the hands as some kind of "convert your own character" pack, maybe? If you make some spare heads, then you can do the same with the noseless ones. Or else maybe put up an Andromedan (noseless aliens) pack of civilians using the noseless minis?

Are you saying that the discontinued models were "corrected" by a gift certificate? I ask because the only one of those models I queried about--the only one I cared about--was Juliette, Female Wizard, and I was offered no replacement and no credit. In fact, when I asked about the possibility, so that I could buy a model with a functional left hand to transplant, I was told that there would be no corrective action for Juliette, and presumably for none of the other discontinued models. Is that at odds with Reaper's policy, or am I misunderstanding you, here? I appreciate any answer you can give me. If Reaper isn't dealing with those redacted models in any capacity, then I'll just buy a donor model. $2.50 isn't exactly a deal breaker for fixing a defective model, but it does end up making a Bones model cost close to its metal version's price...which amuses me.

I depends on the figures, I guess. I mentioned Juliette, Female Wizard out of all the defective, noseless minis in my first email because that was the only one I wanted a replacement for. But they aren't doing anything to replace the discontinued minis. No credit, no replacements, nothing. I'll end up buying a Balto Burrowell or other gnome with small hands so I can chop one off and transfrom Juliette Thalidomide-born into Juliette, Female Wizard. So, if you want to get a replacement for one of the discontinued defectives, you're SOL. Which is not the same thing as SOD, apparently. However, they did fix all my other issues (kind of. Still waiting on a part of a kaladrax tail.), and I finally got to assemble my Fire Giant King, so I'm pretty happy. I'm joyfully participating in Bones 2, but I really hope none of my favorite models ends up as being discontinued.

My package arrived. Aaaaand it's got an error. I've sent them an email. Hopefully we can all still be friends.

This is what they sent me via email: "We're sending you the following: 77192g: Right Front Leg (0.00) x1 80014: Garvin Markus, Nova Corp Hero (2.49) x1 89003: Pathfinder Goblin Warriors (2.99) x1 77194e: Head (0.00) x1 Note: SOD for order #5379 - please also add 2nd to last piece of Kaladrax tail and Fire Giant king left chain If you have any questions, feel free to reply to this email, reference #200785. Please let us know if you have any questions we may be of assistance with. Reaper Miniatures 9062 Teasley Ln. Denton, TX 76209 (940) 484-6464 "

They told me they were sending me something on Sept 19th. I'm in California and I still haven't received anything. Should I be worried?

I would have taken a copy&paste response that said "certain minis are not being replaced due to to high of a complaint number/impossible to fix all of them". I know how many orders they are filling, especialyl if they only have 1 machine that can do it. It just makes sense to take a few seconds to copy and paste a little note instead of sending another email that ultimately wastes more of their time. Hell, even making an official announcement of it couldn't hurt. Still happy its the major issue minis getting replaced. sorry. The tool we use doesn't have the ability to give that kind of detailed note - it sends a form letter. Certain minis could not be replaced because good copies don't exist, and there was just no way to say that in the form letter without confusing people who didn't ask for those minis. Wait. I thought those were the ones you were issuing store credit for..? I thought it was odd that some models didn't appear on the form you sent me, and just figured you were 'replacing' them with a different process. So, nothing then? I'm not particularly upset, but I am confused. Please help me out here.

I haven't heard back from them either and have found a few more miscasts since I sent the email. However, if they send me store credit, I'll just buy another Goldar the Barbarian and toss whatever the other minis were at misbehaving puppies. Actually, it depends on how they correct the other issues.

If we are talking about what we want to see in Bones 2: Bone Hard with a Vengeance, then I would like to speak up for myself and other wargamers I know. First of all, I understand that the "Vampire 2" pledge is unlikely to have any units or Chronoscope models in order to satisfy Reaper's core market, the RPG players. However, I feel that the stretch goal freebies or even paid add-ons should have a lot of units or Chronoscope, so that wargamers have a reason to pledge again this time around. I suggest that Reaper offers a lot of the Warlord boxes of troops in Bones. If there is a hero in the same range, he can be sold separately as a character. Now, these units can be great for RPGers, too, as town guards, mooks, whatever, and a 10-pack for a decent price with 2 or 3 sculpts offers a lot of flexibility for both types of customer. For example, if Reaper decided to tap the market that Mantic just created with terrific rules, and then lost with their clusterfailure of a Men at Arms sprue, while also appealing to Warhammer players and other fantasy players, then they could release the Overlord line. First, the onyx models for that lawful evil/Basilean/Sigmarite Empire look. http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/overlord/sku-down/06146 Then there are missile troops: http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/overlord/sku-down/06147 And characters/heroes/captains/etc. (including mounted): http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/overlord/sku-down/14258 http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/overlord/sku-down/14128 http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/overlord/sku-down/14147 http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/overlord/sku-down/14267 Now, I don't know which factions sell the best for Reaper, but I would expect that metal troops sales would probably be less of an indicator of what wargamers want than, say, commander sales, since wargamers are not going to have built blocks of 40 troops at metal prices, but probably will buy characters they like for armies they collect for Reaper's metal prices. In any event, I'm sure Reaper is fairly on top of the market research here. I suspect Nefsokar would do well in Bones among the Tomb Kings or Wargods of Aegyptus players. Lizardmen just need a few more models and some big beasts to finish out the line. Monsters are also something that Reaper Bones does well. Very well. And wargamers love monsters at least as much as RPGers. However, wargamers want to be able to build units of ogres, trolls and werewolves. If Reaper added another 2 unique sculpts in line with their previous ogres and trolls (which is the wargaming standard for variety), wargamers would love them, painters would love them, and RPGers will probably pick up some for the variety or so they can differentiate rogue fire hill trolls from ranger fire mountain trolls. Throw in some more mount options, like a wyvern for orc players for example, and Reaper can capture the attention of all kinds of converters and counts-as players without alienating the RPG market. The most important addition for the wargamers might be the hardest to sell Reaper on: Sci Fi. In wargaming, sci fi (futuristic or steampunk, but mostly futuristic) outsells fantasy by a wide margin. And wargamers tend to buy lots and lots of troops, i.e. multiples of the same 3 models. It's a fairly lucrative market if you can tap it. There is a golden opportunity right now: wargaming is between media. Metal is too expensive for troops, even for skirmish games. Restic is cheaper to make and to sell, but there is a lot of discontent in the market with all of the mold lines, warping and casting issues that tend to make restic minis such a pain. If reaper can give a lot of wargamers a reason to try out Bonesium minis, they might win them over. Bones also has a lot to offer as a proprietary media (like Trollcast for Trollforged) for prospective board games producers. Not all sci fi needs to alienate the fantasy gamer. The frost Wyrm looks pretty alien. Sell him in a line with the astral mauler, Bathalien Primarch and such, and you've got a nice alien horde. The Nova and IMEF lines are great so far, but could really use some special weapons (for Nova) and some more variety for IMEDF. Throw in a Bones General Drake (or his IMEF equivalent), and you've got the Imperial Guard players on your side. The only thing missing is a Bones giant-sized mecha/enforcer droid for Bones giant prices.

I'm guessing Goldar the Barbarian, or whatever his name is. Mine has no nose, and I've seen other complaints about him here and there.

I'm pretty sure they will replace miscasts. Reaper likes having a good reputation.

I just saw these bases from Dungeon Crawler and thought they might work for some of the larger Bones beasties.

In the age of the internet, is a big convention that most of us will never visit really the ideal place? I mean, it works great if Reaper wants to make us feel left out...

I really wish they would have finished getting out everything from this KS, solving all the QC and mispack issues, and then allowed the new generation of Bones some breathing time in a retail space before announcing another KS. It strikes me as unprofessional.

I'd settle for an IMEF Marine who is actually shooting his rifle! Or even ready to shoot.

My goblins were also softest of the whole box. They seem to be entirely different material. Trying to paint the torches or swords was a pain as the material just slips away underneath your brush... Boiling and cooling them strenghtened the material for a while, but now they're as soft as ever. That said, the level of detail is very good and the sculpts are among my favourites! Which is the only reason I think I'm going to try and get replacements for my goblin warriors (only got pyros). I'm worried about having exactly this kind of trouble with some of my models. Please let me know how Reaper responds to your request.

Cav is getting the Bones treatment. I see an opportunity here.

I'm still waiting to hear back from Reaper before assembling or boiling a few of my figures. Deathsleet is one of the ones I'll boil, reposition and base him, but there are still some models so warped or floppy that they might not be able to stand up freely even with a base. I just want to see how Reaper handles this. PS: It's good to hear that others are concerned for how these 'foibles' might affect the casual or beginner gamers out there. Besides my wife, my brother and my nephew are interested in Bones models, but it will be hard to sell them on a line of lounging dragons.

That's a tricky one. It looks very cool, I'd probably pick one up if it were in bones, and the enthusiastic responses to your post show there are others who would do the same. However, I can't imagine it ever having more than a very marginal appeal to gamers. Historical gamers wouldn't be interested in the fantasy elements, and fantasy gamers tend to avoid any reference to gunpower like the plague (this is changing with Pathfinder though). I think this would be a hard sell in bones, because Reaper needs to be sure they can recoup mold costs which are the prohibitive factor for bones. I'd love to see one painted, but the fact there isn't a painted version I could find anywhere for a mini released in '06 seems to confirm my theory this would be a hard sell. It is a shame though, you know it would look fantastic painted up on a shelf or a gaming table. It's a beautiful sculpture for sure. Actually, I think tabletop wargamers would love this. Most wargames have at least one faction who uses gunpowder, and a Bones mini would be cheaper than most "name brand" plastics. It also looks much, much better than some boring historical cannon. Off the top of my head: -Warhammer Fantasy: Empire, Dwarfs, Chaos, Chaos Dwarfs. -Warmachine: (I'm not that familiar with them, but it is a steampunk setting with cannons.) -Mantic: Kings of War It would also work as part of thematic terrain, as objectives or for fortifications. Some Warhammer 40k armies could even use it "thematically."

I've had the Bones models as long as you have. I know the normal extent of the Bones range. I believe I even informed you about the Bugbear being more floppy than the skeletons, so yes, I am aware of what Bones is supposed to be like. Cthulhu is outside that range, whether or not the minis in the video make that clear. And Buglips, I only posted in this thread because you were so hostile to people like Eilif who noticed thay had a problem. Believe it or not, dismissing someone else's concerns and implying that they are to blame over and over again, either through their ignorance or malign motivation, is actually considered hostile. You were not trying to figure anything out but how to shift any flaws that any Reaper mini might have onto another. When people respond to someone having an issue with "I don't have that problem", it adds to the discussion. When they respond "you must not know how Bones works/have unfair expectations/spurious complaints," it chills any productive discussion. And when many posters post that it's not a problem because one can just hold the tentacles still when needing to hold the tentacles still is the problem, they are making excuses for the company because they just want to find some way to justify the company's every mistake at the expense of the average customer. How is telling people that they don't understand how Bones works "trying to rundown the problem"? Be honest with yourself. To use a perfectly-bad meme, Buglips, you were the demons.