Green Eyed Monsty Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, kristof65 said: OH TGIF!@haldir sucks about the water heater. Water damage is never fun, and the sudden expense just makes it hurt worse. anyone have any big plans for the weekend? Taking a shower. We've been without water since the temps hit zero degrees early this week. Got a phone call from the well guy that they will be out late this afternoon to put in a new transducer that controls when the pump runs. Bunch of people had this thing fail during the cold snap. I'm going to be playing "20 questions" with the installer on why the system as installed isn't able to withstand low but within the range of expected temperatures without failing. GEM 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Chaoswolf Posted February 3 Author Moderator Share Posted February 3 Fingers crossed they show up, @Green Eyed Monsty. Good luck with 5he sure to be interesting conversation with the installer as well. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Eyed Monsty Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 8 minutes ago, Chaoswolf said: Fingers crossed they show up, @Green Eyed Monsty. Good luck with 5he sure to be interesting conversation with the installer as well. When the system was installed I requested they install an outlet. The outlet to be used for the occasional power tool and so a space heater could be powered. They refused, on the grounds "we aren't licensed electricians". If they aren't licensed to do electrical work how do you explain the 30 Amp breaker installed in the power panel next to the mains disconnect or all that electrically powered equipment you hard wired to the breaker? If I were a person of a litigious nature I would be discussing the situation with a product liability attorney. GEM 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serenity Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 17 minutes ago, Green Eyed Monsty said: Taking a shower. This is a new well, is it not? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Eyed Monsty Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 minute ago, Serenity said: This is a new well, is it not? Less than two years since it came online. We closed Escrow in early April 2021. GEM 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristof65 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Green Eyed Monsty said: When the system was installed I requested they install an outlet. The outlet to be used for the occasional power tool and so a space heater could be powered. They refused, on the grounds "we aren't licensed electricians". If they aren't licensed to do electrical work how do you explain the 30 Amp breaker installed in the power panel next to the mains disconnect or all that electrically powered equipment you hard wired to the breaker? I'm not sure what the laws are in Nevada, but in many states an equipment installer CAN hard wire their own equipment to an existing breaker box without being a licensed electrician, but nothing more. An outlet would be considered something more that an electrician would have to do. There is also the possibility that the law requires a licensed electrician to do all the wiring, but many code enforcers look the other way because most reputable equipment installers will ensure their own equipment is done correctly. In those cases, installing an electrical outlet would be beyond their scope, and inviting someone to stop looking the other way. I run into this a lot on car wash equipment installs. Edited February 3 by kristof65 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Eyed Monsty Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 19 minutes ago, kristof65 said: I'm not sure what the laws are in Nevada, but in many states an equipment installer CAN hard wire their own equipment to an existing breaker box without being a licensed electrician, but nothing more. An outlet would be considered something more that an electrician would have to do. There is also the possibility that the law requires a licensed electrician to do all the wiring, but many code enforcers look the other way because most reputable equipment installers will ensure their own equipment is done correctly. In those cases, installing an electrical outlet would be beyond their scope, and inviting someone to stop looking the other way. I run into this a lot on car wash equipment installs. Makes sense, until you get to the context of additional heating being required to prevent equipment failure. Given your specifications/restrictions then a hard wired heating element on a thermostatic control would have to be a required part of the system specs. We hit in the range of zero degrees earlier this week. Which is cold but not that close to historical record lows for this area. Weather guesser mentioned minus seven degrees {F} as recorded temps for our area, within my lifetime. And I was born circa 12 years after the record lows recorded in 1937-38. GEM 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWulfe Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 hours ago, kristof65 said: OH TGIF!@haldir sucks about the water heater. Water damage is never fun, and the sudden expense just makes it hurt worse. anyone have any big plans for the weekend? I'm gonna make my printer whrrbrr all weekend, that counts right...? Poor thing won't know what hit it.. First orange, then grey, then blue, then black filament... It's almost like I got my new filament in and am printing a taste tester of things in colours to see what my thoughts are before I go ahead and actually print all the parts for the v2... 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Kane Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Hello all I hope you all are having the best day you can have and I hope it just gets better. It is not very cold here, phone says 36 degrees, so we will run with that. I have to go out and walk the fence line. the littlest dog can get out and I need to find out where. He mostly stays inside the fence, but with the way the city has been the last couple of months, I would not trust them to return a lose dog or even hold on to it without putting it down at my expense..... I AM just a bit on the bitter side towards the city. I understand their stance, but does not mean I have to like it or them. Anyways, on to another subject before I get myself worked back up in to a tizzy and want to level the town. I finished reading the Players Hand Book for Castle's and Crusades. It has given me the 'old school' feeling. ... I know I know, I am just rambling. it is not like I am going to get to play it... I am going to read the Castle Keepers Guide next. Then start looking at the Monster's and Treasures book. I also am going to start detailing the 'starting' city. I will have the characters start in a small town, but plan on moving them towards the city. I also have found a document in which someone has made up the races from the Eldar Scroll games into C&C. I like them enough I have been thinking about using them, but I am not sure. Anyways, Hope everyone has the best day they can. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristof65 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 31 minutes ago, Green Eyed Monsty said: Makes sense, until you get to the context of additional heating being required to prevent equipment failure. Given your specifications/restrictions then a hard wired heating element on a thermostatic control would have to be a required part of the system specs. We hit in the range of zero degrees earlier this week. Which is cold but not that close to historical record lows for this area. Weather guesser mentioned minus seven degrees {F} as recorded temps for our area, within my lifetime. And I was born circa 12 years after the record lows recorded in 1937-38. GEM I was just explaining why they might wire one thing, but not the outlet. Can't speak for why the system isn't up to snuff. We do run into similar issues in the car wash industry with things freezing up, so there are lots of different solutions. One of those is strip heaters - literally heating elements built into a piece of "tape" that can be taped to whatever needs to be warmed, and wired to a thermostat. They make both 120V and 24V versions in several different wattages. Maybe you can ask your servicer about adding a strip heater to the unit? You might ask what the specs of the transducer are as well. We had an issue with our card readers when the only manufacturer of mag heads rated for below 20F discontinued them, and we had to use heads that were only rated to 32F for awhile while we scrambled for another solution. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Eyed Monsty Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 15 minutes ago, kristof65 said: I was just explaining why they might wire one thing, but not the outlet. Can't speak for why the system isn't up to snuff. We do run into similar issues in the car wash industry with things freezing up, so there are lots of different solutions. One of those is strip heaters - literally heating elements built into a piece of "tape" that can be taped to whatever needs to be warmed, and wired to a thermostat. They make both 120V and 24V versions in several different wattages. Maybe you can ask your servicer about adding a strip heater to the unit? You might ask what the specs of the transducer are as well. We had an issue with our card readers when the only manufacturer of mag heads rated for below 20F discontinued them, and we had to use heads that were only rated to 32F for awhile while we scrambled for another solution. Your insight into this situation is appreciated. I'm aware of strip heaters, and this is one of the things on the "20 questions" list. The suggestion to ask about the specs on the transducer is good advice, which I will also be applying. Thanks again for the info. GEM 23 minutes ago, Colonel Kane said: Hello all I hope you all are having the best day you can have and I hope it just gets better. It is not very cold here, phone says 36 degrees, so we will run with that. I have to go out and walk the fence line. the littlest dog can get out and I need to find out where. He mostly stays inside the fence, but with the way the city has been the last couple of months, I would not trust them to return a lose dog or even hold on to it without putting it down at my expense..... I AM just a bit on the bitter side towards the city. I understand their stance, but does not mean I have to like it or them. Anyways, on to another subject before I get myself worked back up in to a tizzy and want to level the town. I finished reading the Players Hand Book for Castle's and Crusades. It has given me the 'old school' feeling. ... I know I know, I am just rambling. it is not like I am going to get to play it... I am going to read the Castle Keepers Guide next. Then start looking at the Monster's and Treasures book. I also am going to start detailing the 'starting' city. I will have the characters start in a small town, but plan on moving them towards the city. I also have found a document in which someone has made up the races from the Eldar Scroll games into C&C. I like them enough I have been thinking about using them, but I am not sure. Anyways, Hope everyone has the best day they can. If you are looking for Old School Flavor, check this out: https://necroticgnome.com/products/old-school-essentials-basic-rules Free download of the Basic Rules Set as published by Necrotic Gnome. GEM 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mad Jack Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Colonel Kane said: I also have found a document in which someone has made up the races from the Eldar Scroll games into C&C. Eldar Scrolls? If somebody managed to create good RPG rules for a WH40K/Skyrim crossover, I'd definitely buy them, lol. In other news, due to the upcoming low temps, Jack has dropped around $50 to put ten gallons of diesel into his furnace in order to start it up and keep it going over the weekend... Jack is warm, without basically having to hold a space heater in his lap like a small child, lol. This is a strange feeling. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristof65 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Green Eyed Monsty said: Your insight into this situation is appreciated. I'm aware of strip heaters, and this is one of the things on the "20 questions" list. The suggestion to ask about the specs on the transducer is good advice, which I will also be applying. Thanks again for the info. You're welcome, and good luck . On another note, I'm tempted to recruit someone here to visit a site in Edmonton with a baseball bat... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Jack Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Just now, kristof65 said: On another note, I'm tempted to recruit someone here to visit a site in Edmonton with a baseball bat... Hey' if you're willing to cover travel expenses, I work cheap... 4 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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