Moderator Froggy the Great Posted January 3, 2005 Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2005 Here's a question that I had after Saturday's game. Note that we eventually killed the Witch Queen, so this isn't sour grapes or anything. A Darkspawn kills Braug the ogre, and gets three tokens for the PC. Braug gets up, swipes at the darkspawn and gets killed in defensive strike. Does the PC get three more tokens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwyksilver Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 I am presuming that he got up again because of a successful toughness check, then got hosed again. I can't imagine that it would count as a kill until he failed a toughness check and was dead dead, not just lying on the ground gathering his strength dead. I don't know if I am misreading the situation though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Baasen Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 I'd say no. Tokens should only be placed into the Pain Cage when the model is removed from the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Froggy the Great Posted January 3, 2005 Author Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2005 That was the third alternative, yes. I mean, we beat him, so I'm not screaming about a cheesy rule. It's just about as annoying as trying to charge the Necropolis player's catapult with Crusaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Landt Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 The rulebook states that you get tokens whenever you slay an enemy. The ogre was NOT slain until he was taken off the table. He was mearly stunned until he made his toughness check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Froggy the Great Posted January 3, 2005 Author Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2005 Can we get an official clarification? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecs05norway Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 Can we get an official clarification? Please? Soon? As the Darkspawn player in question, I'd just like to have the official decision, so we can be sure we're getting it right next game. Oh, and tell me, Frosch, which is more annoying... the catapult, or the paincage? 'Cause I'm still thinking that my Rhino looks good on that base.... ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Froggy the Great Posted January 3, 2005 Author Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2005 Chris, your answer is "Yes." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Landt Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 PLEASE don't think I mean ANY disrespect here, but I'm not sure what the confusion is. The rules are clear: Toughness - When a model with toughness is dealt enough damage to kill it, it is instead only 'stunned' until it makes its Toughness check. Failing its toughness check kills it. Pain Cage - When a model is killed, you get the tokens. The ogre was NOT killed when he first went down. Mearly stunned. No pain tockens are gained until a model is killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Froggy the Great Posted January 3, 2005 Author Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2005 Works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akela Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 Gus Landt is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecs05norway Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 Heh. Maybe I should paint up another succubus for the Spawn of Mashaf, then. Or something Blackmoor-ish and a nicely ornate spaceship for a Behemoth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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