Ranzadule Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 What's teh new rules say aobut Razig? He can and should field a force of max soul cannon and bone marines and all characters have pistols. The enemy with 10 or so archers will never be able to keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VelveteenRabbit Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 "Tournaments are done to see who can make armies to WIN." There is more to life than winning. :) Seriously, I don't think most people who play games of this nature do so solely to win. But even if that's true, I'd much rather see things fixed early than later after a "Winning Build" has so overwhelmed a game that it's ten times as many people who have miniatures that can't be used due to errata... I know it's a major change and I fully understand your irritation. I'm not trying to make light of that... But it is a game. And obviously flawed. Would you prefer to play a flawed game that stays static or a game that accepts that it is flawed and tries to improve? And again, if your all archer army is actually enjoyable to play _against_, then I don't think you'll have problems finding people who will ignore the new rules. In the grand scheme of things, having painted eight miniatures more than you had to is not going to kill you. What's done is done, and there is still fun to be had... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwyksilver Posted May 30, 2005 Author Share Posted May 30, 2005 I liked Andras before. Now I love him. Carrying two elites is pretty sweet, especially for that new low price! PS Yeah. That was my first thought. Then I shuddered and started spraying my troops with Overlord repellant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranzadule Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 There is more to life than winning. :) Seriously, I don't think most people who play games of this nature do so solely to win. It's not about winning but it is about trying to win. There's a difference. You owe it to your opponent to try to beat him. That's the reason for rules and victory conditions. If not, just play candyland or some similar game. Competition is the reward not necessarily actually winning, just trying your best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Baasen Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Then why weren't they kept as Adepts in the finalized version? You seem to be reinforcing my point that the rules were not properly playtested. Have you submitted a request to ReaperMatt to become a Beta-Tester for the upcoming faction books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storminator Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 If not, just play candyland or some similar game. Competition is the reward not necessarily actually winning, just trying your best. I don't know if you have kids at home, but Candyland is where the littles learn to cheat! Amazing how they skip over 2 or 3 colors of the ones they draw, but never miss the next one when you draw. PS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Yeah. That was my first thought. Then I shuddered and started spraying my troops with Overlord repellant. Oh I saw that listed in the equipment upgrades in the Super Top-Secret Self-Destructs-In-Fifteen-Seconds microfilm copy of the Reven faction book I swiped heard that ReaperBryan was carrying around at RCon. Will that same stuff be made available in a dropper bottle brush-on version, and will it be tournament legal? *giggles* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElementsWarden Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 What was the purpose behind changing the status of archers? Do I understand correctly that it was to stop the all archer army? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElementsWarden Posted May 30, 2005 Share Posted May 30, 2005 Have you submitted a request to ReaperMatt to become a Beta-Tester for the upcoming faction books? Yes, more than a month ago with no reply. It was in a PM with some other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwawl Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 This Sucks!!! I buy and paint 18 Elven Archers and then half of them are unusable , and many of you guys say that Warlord is not in the beta testing process. What a joke. Unfortunately the joke is on me, my time and my money. I guess I'm the fool. I'm right there with you. When I commented on Danithal being a 1/4 mage they told me to suck it up. When I mentioned the ease with which the low DV elves died in melee I was told their archers made up for it and now that's being taken away. At least I only painted six elf archers so far. My friend who owns a game store will give me credit when I return the other four blisters so I can buy some GW stuff instead. No Warlord for me. Pissed yes be I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vil-hatarn Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Come on people! Did you read the announcement? It specifically states that the faction books will make up for adept archers in the archer heavy armies. Elves and goblins are specifically mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElementsWarden Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 That does not help me now. Also it was stated that you could play w/o faction books with no problem. Now there are problems. Even so do you think the addition of the book will allow me to field my 18 vale archers? And how long before the elves book is out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritual_exorcist Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Come on people! Did you read the announcement? It specifically states that the faction books will make up for adept archers in the archer heavy armies. Elves and goblins are specifically mentioned. It was also stated that armies built out of the Main rulebook will remain competative. Whether you give Elves more archer units in the faction book doesn't help someone who already layed down a good chunk of money on 18+ Elven archers that they can no longer use in 1000 point games. The suggestion I keep hearing is "well you can still use them in 2000 point games", but what if I don't want to play games that big. What If I invested in the models I bought with the intention of that being my complete army; never meaning to buy more grunts, which I will have to do now if I want to play a sizable game, and never intending to buy the faction book, which I will also have to do now if I want to play the missile heavy type force I want. You can't tell me that archery heavy forces dominate Warlord games, I've heard very very few complaints (if any) relating to this here on the forum. And with the hefty price tag that Archers they will nearly always be outnumbered. As I stated in the other thread, if the points costs are accurate, why make them adepts (I understand in some cases doing so for flavour and for the spirit of a particualr faction, but to do so to all archery units seems bewildering). Someone stated that the change is good, because missile troops will no longer be able to outnumber grunts. While I perhaps agree it is the case in western medievil historical games that archers would appear in more limited numbers, this is a fantasy game; I can't imagine many elves would leave home without a bow, and I can easily see bowmen outnumbering grunts (Or perhaps you envision your force being a missile heavy detachment of a greater army). Even in a historical context there are warrior peoples who specialised in the bow; I think directly about the mongols, and their use of the bow while mounted. Anyway, the more I think about it, the more I feel like Reaper really burned it's players with this change. I was perhaps a month away from buying 6 blisters of Elven archers myself, and starting an Elven army; now I can't say I'll ever invest in an Elven force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Froggy the Great Posted May 31, 2005 Moderator Share Posted May 31, 2005 How often has GW screwed you over far more than this, with far less courtesy? Think on that, then compare the relative prices of a GW army to a Warlord army. Are any of your Warlord minis obsolete? Are you forced to buy a new sculpt of the same unit so you can keep playing Warlord? No? Do you now have enough Elven archers to play a 2000 point game instead of a 1K, since you can field multiple troops of adepts per thousand points? Yes? Ok then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwawl Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 How often has GW screwed you over far more than this, with far less courtesy? Think on that, then compare the relative prices of a GW army to a Warlord army. Are any of your Warlord minis obsolete? Wow. You are realy reaching when all you can say is GW is worse. For players who got into the game intending to play 1000 - 1500 point games and are caught with eight archers they can not use in those games those archers are obsolete. With Reaper's price increases the cost difference isn't as much as you think. And, as nice as it may be that Reaper posted PDF files of changes my two month old Core Rulebook is obsolete. OK then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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