Brushmaster Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Recently we had a game that end up with a melee mess in the middle of the table , lots of different troops from different factions in b2b and none dead because we couldn't roll better than a "2". Here is a Rough example of the situation and can someone explain or clarify the problem - we rule that everyone assisted CRC RC RC C= crusader model , R = Reven model Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All-Terrain Monkey Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Only friendly models in valid front side base to base contact (i.e. not rear side) give support for a model. So, let's go with this: [C1][R1][C2] [R2][C3] [R3][C4] To make things simpler, we'll say [R1]'s rear side is facing upwards, [R2] and [R3] rear sides are facing to the left, and [C3] and [C4] are to the right (in a nutshell, no-one's rear side is in base to base contact with an enemy). If the Crusader attacks first here's what the breakdown would look like: [C1], [C2], or [C3] vs [R1]: [C1], [C2], and [C3] are both in valid front-side base to base contact with [R1], so any of the three would gain +2 MAV support bonus. [C1] vs [R2] or [C3] vs [R2]: [C1] and [C3] are in valid front-side base to base contact with [R2], so either would gain +1 MAV support bonus. [C4] vs [R3]: [C4] has no friendlies in base to base contact with [R3] and would gain no support bonus. Now let's go from the supposition the Reven were attacking: [R1] vs [C2] or [R3] vs [C4]: No friendlies in base to base contact with either Crusader model, so no support bonus. [R1] vs [C1], [R1] vs [C3], [R2] vs [C1], or [R2] vs [C3]: Versus these two Crusader models [R1] and [R2] would support each other, so in either of those pairings the Reven models would gain +1 MAV support bonus. Remember, all of this assumes nobody's rear arc was in contact with an enemy model. If the enemy model is in the rear arc of a friendly model the friendly model will not be able to lend the support bonus. In the case of multiple players in a melee, the controller of a model can choose to either support or not support an opposing player's attack, given that all the other conditions have been met. Does this clarify things for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritual_exorcist Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Yeah, that is what I had assumed. THis came up in a game Brushmaster and I played last week. So a model can lend support so long as it doesn't have an enemy attacking its rear side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abngi Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 So a model can lend support so long as it doesn't have an enemy attacking its rear side? A model can still support while there is an enemy in it's rear arc. It just can't support an attack against a model in it's rear arc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritual_exorcist Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Ok, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbill Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Goldeneagle, are you a lawyer? Since I am an engineer, I was able to understand what you are saying but it seemed almost a little like legalese to me. "The party of the first part is hereforth referred to as the party of the eighteenth part with respect to the part of the second part." Huh? Wild Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All-Terrain Monkey Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Goldeneagle, are you a lawyer? Since I am an engineer, I was able to understand what you are saying but it seemed almost a little like legalese to me. Careful, 'round these parts thems could be fightin' words . My falootinspeak comes from a few years of Engineering in college, years of writing, and spending five years in military communications where if you didn't make things sound fancy enough the higher-ups would think you hadn't done your homework . You should do a search on the boards for my Deathseeker Disclaimer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushmaster Posted July 11, 2005 Author Share Posted July 11, 2005 Yeh thanks for the solution . Actually , I think there were 3 model in opponents rear arc with others to the sides , it was very messy and confusing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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