spiritual_exorcist Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Alright, so I know I'm going to have to face Brushmaster's new monstrosity (In fact I faced it once already): Gaaguk + Bonesplitter+ Divine Favor Doesn't seem like that lethal a combination, but it has been fairly devastating as Brushmaster runs in with First Strike and 3 Attacks, enrages, and drops his opponent without fear of being struck back due to the First Strike ability. So, ways to deal with this? In the game I faced this model, I luckily had Sir Dauron on the field, Sir Dauron engaged Gaaguk first, preventing Gaaguk from using his First Strike+enraging, and since Sir Dauron has first strike, Defensive Strike was nullified as well. In my opinion this is probably the best way to defeat this model. Engage it, even just by basing it with a wimpy Goblin, and preventing it from moving and attacking in the same turn, which in turn prevents it from gaining it's First Strike bonus (seeing as how you have to move prior to attacking in the same activation to utilize the benefits of first strike). Attack with multiple models (3+) at once, and Defensive Strike becomes far less effective, since Gaaguk doesn't have Warmaster. Otherwise I would look to hit this model with spells and archers I suppose. DV 11, MD 11 isn't bad at all, but throw enough firepower at a model and they'll take a wound or two (It would be helpful even if just to get rid of the Divine favor). I won't say this model is too powerful, it comes in at 180 points or something enormous like that, but it is a fairly lethal combination. Any ideas on how to deal with it in the future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushmaster Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Stay away and nuke 'im from orbit ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Froggy the Great Posted February 20, 2006 Moderator Share Posted February 20, 2006 Engage it with a throwaway unit, then pepper it with arrows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Baasen Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Get some of that old-black-magic going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castlebuilder Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I've faced the same abomination. I agree witht he other guys; you need to take Gaag down with stand off weapons. Knock him down to his last track, then wade in and beat him down just for the satisfaction of killing him face to face. Castlebuilder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humansquish Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Reach cancels the First Strike SA, so swarm him with reach specialists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritual_exorcist Posted February 21, 2006 Author Share Posted February 21, 2006 Reach cancels the First Strike SA, so swarm him with reach specialists. Ah-Ha, that's a cheap and clever solution. I knew those lesser Orc Spearbearers were good for something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushmaster Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Reach cancels the First Strike SA, so swarm him with reach specialists. Ah-Ha, that's a cheap and clever solution. I knew those lesser Orc Spearbearers were good for something Curses , foiled again !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwyksilver Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Sending Lesser Orc Spearbearers after Gaaguk is just wrong. Reven on Reven crime is a travesty. At least use some other models with Reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritual_exorcist Posted February 21, 2006 Author Share Posted February 21, 2006 Bull Orc Hunters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Orcs?..infighting?... UNHEARD OF! I was going to recommend casting a HOLD spell on the ol' boy, then send in a few hitters to rub him out whilst he can't do a thing..not even a DS. WHAT AM I SAYING!! Don't hurt poor Gaaguk. He's a nice boy..really he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellsgate Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 does this mean that Kong-to can't be first-striked as he has reach??? If that is the case send him in with a lesser or moderate magic weapon and he will wipe the floor with him, then back him up with 2-3 clutchlings and you do 3 mav:10 attacks after mods enven if it's just one clutchling and MMW thats still 3 mav:8 attacks... and when all that is done and he swings back in his turn you do another 3 mav:7 attacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storminator Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 does this mean that Kong-to can't be first-striked as he has reach??? If that is the case send him in with a lesser or moderate magic weapon and he will wipe the floor with him, then back him up with 2-3 clutchlings and you do 3 mav:10 attacks after mods enven if it's just one clutchling and MMW thats still 3 mav:8 attacks... and when all that is done and he swings back in his turn you do another 3 mav:7 attacks Yes, the 300 point model bringing a couple friends will wipe the floor with the 100 point model. And hope you don't get whacked to hard in the rest of the fight. PS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellsgate Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 That wasn't the point of my post it was more the "does this mean that Kong-to can't be first-striked as he has reach???" the rest was more "if he does, he would kill him out right, no matter who attacked first" though Kong-to will do that to any one . and it's not like he is the only one Khong-to would kill. Though i am foced to agree that in a "standard" sized game it would be too expencive (i've just left the "One model army" chain of thought) but a more viable option is to swarm him, as usal . p.s. does having a single model with reach in base to base cancle first strike (eg. first stiker charges two opponents can he take his first strike on the non-reach model), and secondly if some one is sopported by a reach model can the sopported model still be first striked? sorry if this is a bit off topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwyksilver Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Only the model with SA: Reach is immune to First Strike. Any other model remains eligible for First Strike attacks. Models receiving Reach Support Bonuses in combat do not negate First Strike (and can only make use of Reach Support for Defensive Strikes if the possess SA: Trencher). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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