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For the best reason why one plays miniatures games: because one likes the miniatures.

 

I play Eldar not because they are the "killingest" army in the game, or for any especial love of 40K, but because I like the figures, a lot. If I ever decide to get into Epic, the first army I'd build would be Eldar (for the same reasons). Rules are a dime a dozen; if you're not going to use or play 40K minis in a 40K/Epic game, might as well play a better ruleset and dispense with it altogether (or perhaps just use the 40K/Epic minis in a better ruleset). Minis are an INVESTMENT, rules are NOT.

 

Damon.

 

Ah, see, I have a blind spot there since I don't really like the WH40K aesthetic all that much. Given, the Eldar are nice, and were I ever to have a couple hundred (AUD) dollars, many weeks spare time for painting, room for storage, etc., then I might consider topping up my Eldar army. Beyond the Falcon tanks, which are some of the aesthetically nicest vehicles out there.

 

But, for many of us, $500 USD (!!!) for a decent army IS a problem; an insurmountable one in fact, or gaming is where it's at, etc. My comment was directed to people of that persuasion, since the general tone regarding Epic miniatures didn't seem to be about aesthetic but price.

 

For me, rules are indeed an investment. If I get to play, it will be three to four games in a year if I'm lucky, maybe as few as one game. At the "good" end of my gaming-time scale, a bad set of rules will cost me 25% of my gaming for the year (assuming no learning time!), and at the bad end one game with a set of rules that blows, is it for the year- all my gaming time, wasted. It takes me many read-throughs and several games to learn a rules-set, and that is many hours invested. Finally, at potentially $90 (AUD) the rules are a cash investment. All this speaks more to the negative meaning of "investment" however; I think you meant miniatures were basically good and rules basically a waste of money, right?

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I took his comment as such.

 

I personally really like the 40k line of figures (I like that comic book, over the top and covered with skulls baroque style - but understand it's not for everyone)

 

I don't think the 40k rules are all that great however - I've played rules that I like much better (I just checked out the 2 hr wargames system this weekend and it's quite fun). Epics is OK - but not like it once was. It's a shame that GW's core lines have nice models and really ho-hum rules. Their specialist games have really good rules, but no support. Warhammer ancients and Legends of the Old West are also both great games with no model support from GW (There are tons of other mfgs out there).

 

I see WarpHamster as an "investment" in miniatures that I'd use for another game system.

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Yup, it's all about the models.

 

See, CAV should be filling all my small-scale needs, since really, there isn't a single model in the line that I wouldn't mind having.

 

But at the same time, the whole line just isn't weird/baroque enough.

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I'm a big fan of epic, although I've never used the Epic: Armageddeon rules - I have the Epic 40,000 rulebooks and they're just fine by me. I guess I'm less interested in 40k as a result; most of my money seems to be going on Epic stuff (second hand) and Warmachine. Now and then GW breaks out a new model for 40k that I like, but mostly I just stick with what I've got. I've already sold off a huge part of my 40k collection that I just wasn't using.

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I have been dancing around 40K since day one. I played a few games of Rogue Trader before being distracted by Space Hulk for my 28mm fix. Then came Space Marine/Adeptus Titanicus and I never looked back. These days I own the 40K fourth edition, but dont really expect to actually lay a game with it! The rules just dont do it for me, particularly since I was introduced to Defiance through this very forum! The other 28mm game that I play is Advanced Space Crusade, but it seems that I am the only player in existance for this. :upside: That said, I do also own a heap of the codexes, since I like the background for my Epic games.

 

I think that Armageddon is the best set of rules for Epic 6mm, and my favourite set of rules for 6mm across any genre. It is a shame that support is dropping again, but for those who made it through the dry spell at the end of Epic 40K, this is neither new nor a surprise. Development does continue. Tyranids are up to version 7.3.1 now, Tau are at 4.4.1 and discussion goes on. Epic has always been carried by the player community, and I dont see this changing. The miniatures are hit and miss for me. I love some (most of the FW Tau range, Orks) and can leave others (some of the Chaos stuff).

 

Still, I am a miniature wargame junkie!

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:blues: You wont hear any argument from me. The trouble is that the Titan 'treat them as big tanks' system was really only suppposed to be a filler until ATIII was released to provide much more detailed rules (along with the aircraft rules, which were supposed to be replaced with 'Air Wars', but I guess that AI will have to do for now), until the very predictable downsizing happened and we were left with what we now have.
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I think that Armageddon is the best set of rules for Epic 6mm, and my favourite set of rules for 6mm across any genre. It is a shame that support is dropping again, but for those who made it through the dry spell at the end of Epic 40K, this is neither new nor a surprise. Development does continue. Tyranids are up to version 7.3.1 now,

 

Where exactly is this Tyranid list? I couldn't find anything on the Specialist Games website for Epic Tyranids.

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When it became clear that SG would not look at the more long term developments, my own forums and site became the hub for official Epic development (think Mil-Net for Epic, the Tactical Command board in my sig... now).

 

Anyway, Epic Tyranid development continues and pretty much anyone with an opinion can join in. The Epic Tyranid development is here:

 

http://www.tacticalwargames.net/cgi-bin/fo...cgi?act=SF;f=21

 

Version 7.3.1 of the list is pinned on the board.

 

I am the guy in charge of putting together the Tau in Epic - hence my interest in them.

 

(I hope that the Reaper guys dont mind this link. If this is a problem - and I can see how linking to another game could be - please feel free to delete the link and accept my apologies.)

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I think that Armageddon is the best set of rules for Epic 6mm,

I agree but also have to add, to the credit of epic 2nd ed, that there is still something magical about picking a location an a titan and rolling a pair of aiming dice...

What version of EPIC is on the Specialist Games website? I have never played but I am going to play this weekend with 2 friends who have played before. It is not Epic Armageddon as one of them say the rules are good but the army lists are all messed up. He explained why he thought this but since I have no idea what it meant, I can't remember...

 

Of course, I am glad to hear someone made Tyranids for EA. I am a Tyranid only player. I like Space Hulk a lot, too.

 

I've never played WH40k, either, but if I did it would be Tyranids. I have a new BFG Tyranid fleet to put together in 3 weeks...

 

Are there rules for Tyranids in Defiance?

 

Man, this post is all over the place...Must be because I painted 11 genestealers tonight! :B):

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Demian, the game's creator, has made a list which could utilise Tyranids, or other bug-aliens. It's one of the Army Demos pdf., which a series of army lists that broadly follow themes along the same lines as WH40K, which is to say, it has a bugs list, an elite armour list, a grunts with tanks list, and a feral mobs of space hooligans list. MJ12 forumites have made several other lists, including lists for Pig Iron infantry, Spugs, and some of the Warzone models. When I get some time again, I hope to finish a list for Kryomek aliens.

 

http://www.mj12games.com and follow the Defiance links.

 

The real strength of Defiance, if you want to really get down to it, is the troop builder system. It's not simple, but it allows you to make pretty much any weapon or trooper you want and stat them up. So, you can buy squads you think look cool and then set them up with weapons and abilities so that they work well as an army.

 

Oh, and you can play Defiance in 6MM or 10MM too, but of course that's a quite different game style than Epic or CAV.

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The Epic version on the Sg site is Epic Armageddon (fourth edition, by conventional counting). The rules contain the force lists for IG, Marines and Orks. Swordwind is also available from there, with Eldar, Feral Orks and IG Siegemasters. Other forces lists are currently work in progress (although Chaos is due shortly).

 

Defiance, being a different universe, does not include Tyranids. That said, as has already been pointed out, the 'swarm alien' concept is fairly generic, and it does have the best force creation system that I have seen. I only use Defiance for 28mm.

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(I hope that the Reaper guys dont mind this link. If this is a problem - and I can see how linking to another game could be - please feel free to delete the link and accept my apologies.)

 

Reaper generally has no problem with people discussing other games and companies in their general discussion forums.

 

You have only to look at the longevity of this thread and the sheer enormity of the Starship Troopers thread for evidence.

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