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See, I like the vostroyans because they are silly. Very VSF.

 

The new Deth Korps of Krieg (ok that's one thing that really annoys me) forgeworld figs look great, and will cost as muc has my car payment.

 

As long as it's true confession time, if there is ever good support for epic again, I'm in like flint.

 

Heck I find myself browising the epic squat listings on ebay more often then I care to admit.

 

 

Hrmm.. I didn't think of them as VSF... yeah, I can see that, they are definately good for that :)

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As long as it's true confession time, if there is ever good support for epic again, I'm in like flint.

 

I apologise for hijacking this thread briefly. However, Epic is well fan supported. If you pop over to www.epic40k.co.uk and check out the EpiComms forums, you will find full support for the game - we are the Mil-Net of Epic. :B): Unfortunately, I seriously doubt that official support will ever return in full.

 

I will be shifting the site and re-aligning its focus to make it a more general wargaming place, but Epic and BFG will always remain key sections. (The new site will even have a CAV section <- thin attempt to get Reaper mentioned!)

 

Thanks.

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Aren't Dark Realm Minis trying to produce a range that will be appealing to those fond of Epic? Same scale, also similar in that figures range from infantry to towering monster robots.

 

I don't dislike 40K because I'm a snob, I dislike it because of the forced obsolescence of armies, high prices, and a coupla other things that burned me back when I liked it. I'll still play if you bring two armies to the table, but I have other preferences now.

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DRM are founded by Doug, who is certainly one of the most devoted fans of Epic I have met. While there are some similarities in the ranges, and there is an influence, I think that DRM will stand alone and do rate well. There is also a game under initial development. Doug has set out to produce some quality 6mm miniatures, and I will pick up my first batch on Saturday.

 

I am another who doesnt like 40K. I have the latest rule book, and many of the Codexes/Codii/whatever. I find that the game has tried so hard to simplify things to make things quick to play and accessible for all audiences, but that this just makes things more confusing when you get into it. For example, targetting a unit with mixed save throws. I have Rogue Trader and still love that game, and I have recently purchased Defiance. I still believe that Specialist Games are some of the best GW have produced ever.

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What's so difficult about mixed saves? Majority rules all the time.

 

It just struck me as unnecessarily complicated. To illustrate, the game is streamlined so that hits and saves are rolled as a unit, rather than allocating hits. So, this means that there is required an additional rule in order to deal with a number of cases such as mixed saves, mixed toughness values, characters with additional saves and other issues. All this to 'speed up the game'. Add to this the fact that I found this section of the rules badly written. :bday:

 

There are many other things that I dont like - sticky grenades that you cant throw, fixed movement rates (again, then counteracted by special rules to account for special troops - just add a movement rate to the stat line like there used to be!), the gradual increased prominance of tanks and armour, and others.

 

I want to like the game, since I have a lot invested in the background, but I just dont.

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::D:::P:::P:::P:::P:::P:

 

THis thread brings back memories, I use to listen to my boyfriend talk for hours about 40k before I was even interested in minis myself. He's a second ed purist too. Right now I've simply suggested that if the new eldar codex sucks, I will play second ed with him so he can get some use out of his eldar army.

 

 

Those new eldar rangers are awesome. The old ones were really nice too, the problem was there were only three sculpts, and they were blistered toops, so anyone want to guess there prices?(not to bad last time I checked 'bout 7 CAD a guy.)Hmm, if they're being fazed out maybe one of my local shops will be selling cheap. ^_^

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Hmm, if they're being fazed out maybe one of my local shops will be selling cheap. ^_^

 

Not likely. They'll become part of the "Collector's Range" and will triple in price.

 

And right now you get 3 rangers for $12. When these new ones come out they'll be in a boxed set for $25. If you get all six they'll be about $0.17 more expensive. Of course, I'm thinking you're only going to get five...

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I'm not a second edition purist. I have some quite specific gripes with the new edition, but 2nd ed had its own pretty serious problems.

 

I just think grenades might, you know... EXPLODE, like, imagine if they were an explosive core wrapped in fragmenting shrapnel, and they blew up, and bits of metal flew everywhere and maimed people... OH WAIT!!!!!!!!

 

ANY GAME at 28mm scale that suggests the primary use of grenades is to toss them into the other guy's foxhole right before you go in after him with a knife has crossed the line into hilarity. Hey, it might still be a really fun game, if you find it so, then enjoy! I just find it hard to move troops and throw dice when I'm curled up on the floor laughing convulsively. Maybe if I played 40K more I'd be a happier person?

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What really bugs me about 40k is the fact that you have to leave your squads out in the open if you want to get a shot. Playing IG that just doesn't work all that well. Sure you can use woods and what not, *if* there's any on the table. Ever try fitting a platoon of IG in a single stand of woods roughly 6"x6"? Can you say template weapon target? I knew you could.

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Every now and then GW will come close to suckering me into 40K again with new minis. The Vostroyans for example, but then I remind myself that it's essentially checkers with models, and that saves my money. Being a veteran from Second Ed., I am still bitter when they introduced the Third Ed., ruleset, I thought it was a cruel April Fools joke or something.

 

-NTM

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