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3 Shermans from Old Glory: $22 (or $7.33 per)

3 Shermans from BF: $27 (or $9 per)

3 Shermans from Quality Casting: Same as BF

3 Shermans from Peter Pig: $32.25 (or $10.75 per)

 

So you spend an extra $1.66 per unit for arguably better quality. AND BF is not the most expensive!

 

That's GW all right...

 

Damon.

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There's no game like 40k and sadly 40k isn't even 40k anymore.

 

Flames of War stole 40K rules and added some nice mods to them. It's not bad.

 

Sweet. Someone else noticed it too. Too bad they decided to go for high prices like GW.

 

Lars is right - 15mm WWII gaming is expensive in general. BF makes it nice by putting together platoon packs for their game so you simply buy a whole platoon outright. Fortunately for FoW you don't need a whole ton of stuff.. just a command, two platoons and fill in with support - so you are looking at maybe $100-200 for a force. (Like we can get away with spending that little)

 

The OG stuff is typically very cheap and not always good looking either. I do really like their renaissance, but their WWII 28mm figures are kinda awful. ;) They are the "It'll do in a pinch" option for me

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The OG stuff is typically very cheap and not always good looking either. I do really like their renaissance, but their WWII 28mm figures are kinda awful. ;) They are the "It'll do in a pinch" option for me

 

OG doesn't make any 28mm WWII...they license produce West Wind's Berlin or Bust line...

 

OG 15mm WWII stuff is also license produced from Skytrex (also based in the UK like WW). See their website: http://www.skytrex.com/

 

I personally find the COmmand Decision infantry figures infinitely better than they hypercephalous Odo look-alike gnomes BF makes. The vehicles can be so-so to pretty good. The SdKfz 251s are allright, but the M3 H-Ts are pretty good.

 

If you're going to play minis wargames, simply acknowledge it's expensive, and make a decision to get into it from there. Or play FoW using GHQ 6mm pieces (get 5 tanks for approx the same price of 1 15mm). Or of course not play at all.

 

The complaint about "GW" prices IMHO is overblown. The price for the average Warlord trooper? Cursory search on the Reaper store shows approx $4.49. GW? $4.00 for metal (for the record I compared WL Battlenuns 9-pack to GW Dwarf Longbeards 5-pack), cheaper for plastic ($35 for 16 figures comes to $2.18 per figure). The only things more expensive with GW are the character figures, though not as much as perception would suggest (006177A : Nagendra Venomspitter (14326) is $6.99; compare to GW foot figures, many coming in at $12 for a character...a little less than twice as much, but you save with the rank-and-file). The biggest advantage with newer fantasy/SF wargames is that they require less in figures (this is not neccessarily an advantage IMHO: even in WHFB some of the armylists I looked over have fewer figures that I'd like).

 

And I don't even WANT to get into Infinity's prices!

 

Damon.

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But Reaper doesn't make my old style mini obsolete or unusuable every other year. ::):

 

Oh drat Razig is wearing a wig under the 125th edition rules? But, in edition 122 it said.........

 

So, Reaper's prices are a one time buy. To me, it irks me that I can't use my Space Hulk terminators "officially" because they have a smaller base than current ones. Little things like that. Grrrrrr. And don't get me stared on Apocalypse.

 

Besides. People like to complain and big companies always make good targets. I'm sure many of us can remember when TSR was the big show in town and we talked smack of them. Then WotC, and GW back then as well. Its can make for some fun chats at time.

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But Reaper doesn't make my old style mini obsolete or unusuable every other year. ::):

 

More than half my High Elf Army is from 4e. I have every HE army book since 4e, and no core models were deleted or made obsolete. AFAIK only one "unit" was obsoleted (Maiden Guard, which were IMHO mediocre minis anyway), all others have stayed. Sure the look of some has changed (Phoenix Guard, Shadow Warriors), some have not changed much at all (White Lions, Swordmasters). But the point is, I can and do still use figures 15 years old in my HE army.

 

So, Reaper's prices are a one time buy. To me, it irks me that I can't use my Space Hulk terminators "officially" because they have a smaller base than current ones. Little things like that. Grrrrrr. And don't get me stared on Apocalypse.

 

One time buy if you're just satisfied with nothing else. Much of GW's product ranges are one-time buys too. In my example above, I could have stopped collecting HE and never bought another product ever again. However, that didn't work out that way because GW continued to release cool figures I wanted, or gave me army options I wanted to try.

 

As far as Apocalypse is concerned, you don't need to play it, and furthermore it has always been intended as a nod to vet gamers that have over the years accumulated massive armies.

 

Finally, if your Space Hulk terminators are so egregiously obsolete because of the base, why not just rebase them? If you don't spend any time on the bases, it can take all of half an hour to do. While I don't remember the basing scheme of the SH terminators, I can't imagine it's too hard. UNless, of course, you'd rather just get the infinitely better and more detailed current issues...

 

Besides. People like to complain and big companies always make good targets. I'm sure many of us can remember when TSR was the big show in town and we talked smack of them. Then WotC, and GW back then as well. Its can make for some fun chats at time.

 

Well just because they are big and its fun doesn't make it true either...

 

Damon.

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Well just because they are big and its fun doesn't make it true either...

 

Damon.

 

 

The truth is always a causality in discussions. It's a subjective thing.

 

As for GW. They are what they are. In this case, the evil nucleus for a thread spanning 27 pages and over 14,000 hits. I hear they get a penny everytime someone mentions their name. Or maybe it was "a chaos gate opens everytime GW's name is said." Something along those lines.

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The OG stuff is typically very cheap and not always good looking either. I do really like their renaissance, but their WWII 28mm figures are kinda awful. ;) They are the "It'll do in a pinch" option for me

 

OG doesn't make any 28mm WWII...they license produce West Wind's Berlin or Bust line...

 

Fair 'nuff guv. The Berlin or Bust figures are horrible :)

 

The pirates I have are OK. Nothing special :)

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I'm not sure how comparable WHFB is, but for metals- and i collect metals, not plastics, for a couple of reasons, plastics are fine, i just hate them- WH40K sets amazing and indeed dizzying standards for stupid pricing. In Australia plastic bulk space marines are slightly more expensive than Pig Iron metals and ANY kind of specialist, of which you might need 20 in an army, can be upwards... UPWARDS!! of $14 a figure. That's freakin' insane. Ebay, on the other hand....

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