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Frenkenthread, live! LIIIIIVE!

 

 

 

 

The 40k movie doe indeed look like a long cutscene:

 

http://www.firstshowing.net/2010/10/08/watch-full-length-trailer-for-animated-ultramarines-movie/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+firstshowing+%28FirstShowing.net%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

 

 

 

 

From 1998.  The first Dawn of war opening looked better, and this isn't anywhere close to the second one.  Heck, the Mutant Chronicles movie looked more 40Kish then this.

 

 

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It must have been an incredibly tight budget, because to me, that looks like a fan production.

 

They did spend money on good actors to do the voices though, so maybe there was none left over for rendering?

 

 

 

 

Edit: On the positive side, the new DE look quite spiffy, and the Jetbikes at least are shockingly inexpensive.

 

 

 

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I don't understand all the anti-40k snobbery that exists out there. It's not a perfect rules set by any means, but unless you play on the competitive tournament circuit (thankfully, there seems to be no Conflict/GT circuit in the US this year) where broken uber-combos are the order of the day it's a perfectly fine way to spend an afternoon.

 

Why re-invent the wheel if you want to play a sci-fi game with the figures that GW manufactures?

 

 

 

 

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I don't understand all the anti-40k snobbery that exists out there. It's not a perfect rules set by any means, but unless you play on the competitive tournament circuit (thankfully, there seems to be no Conflict/GT circuit in the US this year) where broken uber-combos are the order of the day it's a perfectly fine way to spend an afternoon.

 

Why re-invent the wheel if you want to play a sci-fi game with the figures that GW manufactures?

 

 

 

 

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Why play a game you hate with figures you like? Plenty of other games out there. Not sure I understand the question. If you like it and you like the figs then clearly you'd play it. If you DON'T like it why would you spend an afternoon on it? How is the manufacturer of the figures relevant anyway?

 

 

PS: Personally I think uber-combos are in the eye of the beholder, and I don't want my army list determined by group dynamics.

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I don't understand all the anti-40k snobbery that exists out there.

It's not so much anti-40k snobbery as it is anti-GW snobbery.

 

40k, while not perfect, is in and of itself fairly ok. But throw in all the baggage and crud that GW brings to the table with it, and it's a hard game to like.

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As for 40K hatred, look, to a non gamer a basic synopsis: "The Nazis and the Spanish Inquisition rule the entirety of human space because anyone who rebels against them is a demon, from hell. Also, the demons are into S&M soft porn." actually sounds pretty awful. Yeah, they're puritan prude Christofascists or something, and also the friends, neighbours, bosses, spouses, and highly desirable potential dates of - frankly - most of us.

 

But even leaving aside the background, which many describe as gritty, edgy, or deliberate irony because nobody could possibly think that was cool, certainly not I, ha ha ha; Bloodcrusher? I mean, really? And half the marine chapter names? And the quotes, my eyes bleed! The ones that aren't unintentionally funny are grotesque manglings of real quotes - unattributed, of course.

 

This then is part of the anger at the unbelievable gall of GW-as-corporation to pursue violations of its "intellectual property". Rip out everything that Asimov could claim IP over and the entirety of Imperium- including its name- is gone, taking with it almost the entire 40K background. Without Tolkien blended with that great hater of Tolkien, Michael Moorcock, Warhammer Fantasy would be devoid of content.

 

Personally, I don't hate 40K, game or fiction. Some if it (in isolation) is really great. But there's no mystery whatsoever as to why a person might hate it and find it hideously embarrassing that it represents a good majority of our (sci fi wargaming) hobby.

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But, you could say the same about trying to justify pretty much any science fantasy background. When you condense it down and reduce it to an absurdism, it wont hold up - whether you are talking about 40K, Warmachine or Vor. I think that the 40 K background is actually really good. Sure, it is inconsistent in many places, and draws on all kinds of inspiration (and yes, I am being kind to GW there) but it has a depth that most companies never achieve.

 

40K is a perfectly good game if you take it for what it is - an exercise in rolling buckets of dice while you and a friend have a bit of a laugh over some above average miniatures.

 

There are two problems with the game. Firstly, 40K is trying to be everything to everyone, and it doesnt work. It is, at its heart (and has always been) a skirmish game. But, it is now sold as a mass combat game, and that was before Epoxy-Lips (sic). It shouldnt need four tanks and a squadron of aircraft. It cant be a narrative skirmish one day and a army scale game that afternoon, and an air combat game tomorrow.

 

Secondly, it suffers because it is owned by GW. I often wonder how it would be received if it had been produced by another company. GW are the big fish, and so they will always be the target. Sure, they deserve a lot of the flak that they get, but there is a lot of stuff that smaller companies get away with just because they are smaller (Constant updates to rules? Tried playing Uncharted Seas? Moving to plastic and keeping prices high? Have a look at WarMachine).

 

If you want a fun game, where the emphasis is on 'game' and you like the background and mechanics and the rules seem OK, 40K is a perfectly great way to spend an evening. Thats not me. I dont particularly like the game, but not because it is a bad game but because I am looking for different things in a game.

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Re: background of 40K. Either you get it or you don't. But hating something because you don't like the background is...silly in itself, particularly when we're talking about a game of toy soldiers. I saw on TMP that some company is releasing a line of Nazis riding dinosaurs. I can't even begin to describe how dumb I think that idea is (but I'm sure someone will say "That's exactly what I always wanted!"). But I wouldn't jump into that thread proclaiming how lame that idea is. However, often when a GW thread starts there will be the whine and moan crowd that describes their hate for the game, franchise, and GW itself, and make sure yiou lknow about it. So quite a bit different.

 

Also I don't think it is consistent with the GW-hate one sees on the internet, where the complaints are not about the background, but about everything else.

 

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However, often when a GW thread starts there will be the whine and moan crowd that describes their hate for the game, franchise, and GW itself, and make sure yiou lknow about it. So quite a bit different.

There are a couple of differences between GW and other companies, though. First, GW is the big boy on the block, so it's naturally going to have more people pointing out it's flaws. Second, and IMO, more telling, is that a lot of the anti-GW crowd (myself included) started out as fairly loyal WFB/WH40k fans, and wound up feeling scammed, cheated, betrayed or something similar by GW.

 

In a lot of ways, GW is like that ex-girl/boyfriend that was always pulling crap on you during your relationship, and it's hard to keep your mouth shut about their bad behaviour when you see them cozying up to your friends.

 

The years I played 40k, Epic, WFB and Mighty Empires 3-4 times a week will always be some of the best gaming memories I have - but mostly because of the people I played with, not because of GW.

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I have to say I do like the Epic Armeggeddon rules but hate much of the background. If I could get a generic point system to design my own units in a more "hard" sci fi variety I'd be all over the rules. I just hate the whole space ork idea.

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