Ceynuundra Aelvari - Elven High Command (1.2)

[Darthiir]

Scrye shot can be used with Blazer.

 

Then it makes the EAWOD almost a must to take in big point games. Drop your warlord behind the Heavy Forest, Hill, Building and pick off the enemy without getting hit back.

[Emmel Eitch]

keep in mind though, a "theoretical model" that had 3 RAs and scrye shot, while not able to use scrye shot on all 3, could still use the other 2 attacks on minions. He can do this every turn, lowering her CP when he does. And if Moadain is "healing" her every turn, he isnt firestorming other things, which is something I personally would be much more concerned about. Its not just about balancing points, its also about preventing the enemy from taking the action he/she wants to take, because they need to respond to you.

Moandain will just use the big spells on turns when the Scrye Shot misses. I don't think anyone takes more than about 2 big spells on their mages, filling out the rest with Ice Shards or Life Transfers if available. Like the Elven Warlord's 2 extra attacks, Moandain's Life Transfer is also causing damage, not just healing Aysa.

 

Convulsive Fear costs 15 points. Scrye Shot costs 150 points. Something is wrong.

 

Rich

Sounds like we just need to solve this debate on the field of battle sir.

 

[Qwyksilver]

Because people would just stand there and take it and would NEVER send fast moving troops screaming across the table to get at him.

 

Besides, that's where Burrow comes in handy

[wildbill]

Besides, that's where Burrow comes in handy

 

Hell yeah!! Give me some Dwarves with Burrow baby! Woooooooooooooooo!!! Then I can take out that pansy Elf warlord at will. Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!

 

Wild Bill

[Stubbdog]

i just wish I could send in other troops into the tunnel created by the burrowing one.

[rcrosby]

Then it makes the EAWOD almost a must to take in big point games. Drop your warlord behind the Heavy Forest, Hill, Building and pick off the enemy without getting hit back.

I have a feeling that a single RAV 6 Scrye Shot, two RAV 6 shots, and 18 RAV 3 shots are going to prove to be a lot more effective than a single 5" AOE RAV 3 Scrye Shot, even at the risk of getting hit back. (How often do you get hit back now?!?)

 

Rich

[Kyderdog]

Okay - maybe forest animal list. We could have moose and squirrel cavalry. Bears without the pesky dwarf on their backs. The Dryad and Satyr list, on the other hand, doesn't do much for me.

 

Why not wolfs? Seems to me that would fit the elf life style

[Qwyksilver]

There's already Lupine (and they would have Wolves if anyone did once they are further expanded) and the Wardogs for Crusaders are very Wolfen in appearance. It would be better if there was something unique.

 

I'd rather see something like a Mountain Lion/Panther if we're going to go that route than a Wolf, just because the wolf bit's already sort of been done.

 

Or maybe some Giant Dire Wolverines.

[Darthiir]

Then it makes the EAWOD almost a must to take in big point games. Drop your warlord behind the Heavy Forest, Hill, Building and pick off the enemy without getting hit back.

I have a feeling that a single RAV 6 Scrye Shot, two RAV 6 shots, and 18 RAV 3 shots are going to prove to be a lot more effective than a single 5" AOE RAV 3 Scrye Shot, even at the risk of getting hit back. (How often do you get hit back now?!?)

 

Rich

 

there is no way he is going to have a RAV of 6, although it would be nice .

 

Take the hits where you can get them, by dropping a 5" AOE on their cleric/mage or other special characters. Take Silverrain from the mercs as part of your 25% allotment and you have 2 scrye shots at your enemies specials.

 

@Qwyk. . .who brings burrowers now. I have honestly only witnessed them being fielded once and a simple rock friends to pop them into view and shoot them will solve that problem. . . if it becomes a problem.

[Storminator]

There's already Lupine (and they would have Wolves if anyone did once they are further expanded) and the Wardogs for Crusaders are very Wolfen in appearance. It would be better if there was something unique.

 

I'd rather see something like a Mountain Lion/Panther if we're going to go that route than a Wolf, just because the wolf bit's already sort of been done.

 

Or maybe some Giant Dire Wolverines.

 

Fiendish Dire Weasels. Only way to go.

 

PS

[Darthiir]

keep in mind though, a "theoretical model" that had 3 RAs and scrye shot, while not able to use scrye shot on all 3, could still use the other 2 attacks on minions. He can do this every turn, lowering her CP when he does. And if Moadain is "healing" her every turn, he isnt firestorming other things, which is something I personally would be much more concerned about. Its not just about balancing points, its also about preventing the enemy from taking the action he/she wants to take, because they need to respond to you.

Moandain will just use the big spells on turns when the Scrye Shot misses. I don't think anyone takes more than about 2 big spells on their mages, filling out the rest with Ice Shards or Life Transfers if available. Like the Elven Warlord's 2 extra attacks, Moandain's Life Transfer is also causing damage, not just healing Aysa.

 

Convulsive Fear costs 15 points. Scrye Shot costs 150 points. Something is wrong.

 

Rich

 

With the right equipment and a good RAV the EAWOD is not likely to miss soft targets all that often, and I consider Aysa a soft target. DV 9 + Deflect. . .the odds are in the EAWOD's favor on that one and if you keep your forces away from Moandin by hitting her on the first round the only one he has available to Life Transfer is one of his own troops. Take someone else with Scrye shot as an elite (Silverrain) and you give her two wounds.

 

My spellcasters always take more than 2 big spells, usually three minimum. . .just to see the look on your opponents face as the third fireball/lightning bolt/firestorm rains down on their troops.

 

There's already Lupine (and they would have Wolves if anyone did once they are further expanded) and the Wardogs for Crusaders are very Wolfen in appearance. It would be better if there was something unique.

 

I'd rather see something like a Mountain Lion/Panther if we're going to go that route than a Wolf, just because the wolf bit's already sort of been done.

 

Or maybe some Giant Dire Wolverines.

 

Fiendish Dire Weasels. Only way to go.

 

PS

 

Is that a weasel . . .never mind .

 

You can't go lions either because the Crusaders have the celestial lion already.

[rcrosby]

there is no way he is going to have a RAV of 6, although it would be nice .

 

Take the hits where you can get them, by dropping a 5" AOE on their cleric/mage or other special characters. Take Silverrain from the mercs as part of your 25% allotment and you have 2 scrye shots at your enemies specials.

 

@Qwyk. . .who brings burrowers now. I have honestly only witnessed them being fielded once and a simple rock friends to pop them into view and shoot them will solve that problem. . . if it becomes a problem.

I assume RAV 4 + 2 Upgrade? I can't see why you wouldn't take the upgrade since it would be upgrading #RA 3 + Marksman??? You *can* knock down DV 11 + Deflect with RAV 6. I don't see why you would want to hide in the woods to use a RAV 3 pie plate instead. You are letting your low DV paranoia get the better of you.

 

Rock Friends can be Dispel'ed by anyone in the 36" AOE - not very useful.

 

Rich

[rcrosby]

With the right equipment and a good RAV the EAWOD is not likely to miss soft targets all that often, and I consider Aysa a soft target. DV 9 + Deflect. . .the odds are in the EAWOD's favor on that one and if you keep your forces away from Moandin by hitting her on the first round the only one he has available to Life Transfer is one of his own troops. Take someone else with Scrye shot as an elite (Silverrain) and you give her two wounds.

If there is no target for a Life Transfer, Moandain can just use a Necromantic Surge - 2 points if necessary. No reason to use a 20 point spell and lose one of my own troops when a simple 10 point spell will do the job. It would take some fancy timing to eliminate Aysa without taking out Moandain first. Always remember that Aysa is the big gun of the Crypt Legion, not Moandain. Moandain is just support. Throwing around big spells with Moandain is nice, but as long as Aysa is cranking out the Minions, Moandain can just sit on his hands for all I care.

My spellcasters always take more than 2 big spells, usually three minimum. . .just to see the look on your opponents face as the third fireball/lightning bolt/firestorm rains down on their troops.

I didn't know that. I guess when we play they are just dead before they can use more than two spells.

 

Rich

[Darthiir]

My spellcasters always take more than 2 big spells, usually three minimum. . .just to see the look on your opponents face as the third fireball/lightning bolt/firestorm rains down on their troops.

I didn't know that. I guess when we play they are just dead before they can use more than two spells.

 

Rich

 

Laugh it up fuzzball, yes Lysette died before she cold do any serious damage, but then again being surrounded by six minions all with MAV 7 kind of does that to a model.

[shakhak]

Then it makes the EAWOD almost a must to take in big point games. Drop your warlord behind the Heavy Forest, Hill, Building and pick off the enemy without getting hit back.

I have a feeling that a single RAV 6 Scrye Shot, two RAV 6 shots, and 18 RAV 3 shots are going to prove to be a lot more effective than a single 5" AOE RAV 3 Scrye Shot, even at the risk of getting hit back. (How often do you get hit back now?!?)

 

Rich

Remember that the deployment zone is only 12"x24". A 5" Radius circle will hit just around 1/4 of a persons army. The elves will be in range, 36" + Ranger move.

For Mage heavy, archer heavy, and low dv armies; this will be a BIG deal. That warlord could earn all of his points back before the enemy could even move...

 

Thats one hell of a way to start off a game.

 

Useful all the time... nope, but like many said in other Volley topics, Volley is not useful all the time, and probably never will be.