Darkstar Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Darkstar, I think you should build one yourself and sell them. Bootlegged Sophie trophies... beautiful. Naw, as a professional artist myself I need to be concerned about intellectual properties if money becomes involved. My last job was in Reprographics and I was so focused on copyright law all the time, it carried over into what I do now. If I did a conversion of an existing kit as a sort of homage to Sophie and sold it as a one off to a collector or whatever, then that's one thing, but if I mass produced them then that's definately infringing on Reaper's trademarks and whatnot. Sort of like how you can buy say, a bunch of storm trooper toys, then convert them by painting them yellow or whatever and sell them as "converted stormtrooper toys", that's fine, but if you were to take the stormtrooper toy, convert it, then reproduce it as a bootleg version of the original, you would need clearance first before you were able to sell it. Just a little while ago, couple years maybe there was this lady selling these really nice sculpts that she had cast on ebay, but the sculpts were derivative of a certain GW intellectual property, and they shut her down. Even though it was her own sculpt from scratch, and her own molds and her own casts, the concepts she was basing her work on were owned by GW and they had the power to stop her from selling her mass produced minis. But from everything I've seen it's quite allright to say, take a model, convert it, scratchbuild most of the thing, and call whatever you want and sell it outright, as long as it's *unique*, that's pretty much just considered artwork and the copyright belongs to the creator of that piece. I would never even consider stepping on the toes of any company when it comes to something like this, it's contrary to my own standards, in the light that I would be outraged if I sold an original sculpt that I had painted, and the buyer turned around changed one or two things about the sculpt, then cast a bunch of replicas and sold it is their own work. But I do plan on making a large scale Sophie conversion, as far as selling it, that remains to be seen. As far as making "bootleg" anything that's an absolute nay. I won't even discuss casting techniques on boards for the most part. I keep that sort of stuff for my own personal use in conversions, but yeah, that's a whole nother can of worms. My general rule of thumb is silence on the matter, but just to let you know there would be no way I would "bootleg" the trophy or whatever is all. I just like the thing and wondered if it was available to the general public pretty much, but since it wasn't was trying to figure out what scale it was so I could eventually do a kitbash for my own enjoyment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hinton Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Personally, I wouldn't want a trophy of any kind if I didn't win it. Sure, I can probably buy one of off ebay, but so what? I got a trophy that someone else won for their work; it means nothing to me. There's no sense of pride that goes with it. Some of us will probably never be able to attend ReaperCon and have a chance to win one, but that's the way it goes. It would be nice, but going there requires an investment of time and money that most of us simply don't have, especially those that are overseas. Can you imagine how much it would cost them just to fly to the US? Then there's the accomodations, meals, etc.; it adds up pretty quick. So, for those of us that can't make it, we'll just have to dream and admire the trophies from afar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhandstudios Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Maybe we should come up with a reapercon scholarship fund. Fly people out to Texas from all over the globe, put 'em up for a few days. All they need is food money and spending cash.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Personally, I wouldn't want a trophy of any kind if I didn't win it. Sure, I can probably buy one of off ebay, but so what? I got a trophy that someone else won for their work; it means nothing to me. There's no sense of pride that goes with it. Yep that's how I feel about it. I think what people are saying though (at least what I'm saying) is that there aren't that many really good Sophies from a painter's standpoint, even though there is a seemingly large base of Sophies to choose from. And one of the ones that happens to be one of the best actual pieces, from a sculpted, paintable standpoint, is unavailable to painters because it's in awarded trophy format. Hence the talk of replicating the piece since it is "unattainable" for many. I'm thinking I might still just go with Bondage Sophie when I get around to converting one though, I talked about that last year and even worked up some concepts. Sophie has a certain style to her face though that that would require the most attention to get a believable conversion done. She always has basically the same kind of cute/hot/impish face, and her hair is almost always the same. I think they base most of the Sophies off of the artwork of Talin, so finding stuff that he's drawn and trying use ideas and details that reflect his style would help to convey the idea that it's a "Sophie" conversion, and not just any old succubus. Buh, now I'm getting obsessed with this project. I have another couple of big ones that I have to finish first though although I want to start on this one now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntilZha Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 I still maintain that Talin has the best job in the world--getting to draw the lovely Sophie. When my friends see my Sophie Reaper T-shirt and declare "I'd hit it", I know that Sophie must remain the Reaper mascot/spokes-babe in perpetuity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrainmonkey Posted November 23, 2006 Author Share Posted November 23, 2006 wow, start a joke thread and leave town for a few days and it goes to 5 pages. i didn't expect this at all. this is why they should outlaw posting while inebriated. :) i guess i'm not getting the support for the anti sophie argument, and that's just fine i guess. yes, it was mostly sarcasm. mostly... actually, i have 4 or 5 of the holiday versions. i'm still waiting for the Columbus Day sophie though. thanks for welcoming me to the board guys. have a great thanksgiving! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntilZha Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 wow, start a joke thread and leave town for a few days and it goes to 5 pages. i didn't expect this at all. this is why they should outlaw posting while inebriated. :) i guess i'm not getting the support for the anti sophie argument, and that's just fine i guess. yes, it was mostly sarcasm. mostly... actually, i have 4 or 5 of the holiday versions. i'm still waiting for the Columbus Day sophie though. thanks for welcoming me to the board guys. have a great thanksgiving! Somebody needs to spank that terrainmonkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orchid_Noir Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 I know that there have been calls for an Incubus model, and I've heard there is one in the works. Maybe this guy could be Sophie's rival/counterpart. *the squeal of joy hear 'round the world!* I have been rooting for this for a LONG time...... (now to hope they do the 72 to go with Sophie for cake toppers ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakandara Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Somebody needs to spank that terrainmonkey. Sounds like a job for UL Sophie... ~v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfeild Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 I think Sophie needs a rival. Give her a kid sister or a devil rival. An erynies or something along those lines. Then you could have double models and cat fights! I like her new pet Jackelope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfeild Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Ok - a Drunken Style Wu Xia sophie would be the coolest thing in the world. :) I was thinking more a Street Fighter/Dead or Alive Sophie wearing a Chung Lie style outfit and bandaged wrists and ankles ready to fight. But if you want to go full on Wu Xia then I say a Crouching Tigger kind of thing with a Naginata in full on manga action pose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfeild Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 actually, i have 4 or 5 of the holiday versions. i'm still waiting for the Columbus Day sophie though. thanks for welcoming me to the board guys. have a great thanksgiving! I'm waiting for arbor day sophie. One where she is hugging a tree. (Incert lude jode about wood here.) BTW: I have no idea what happened on that last post I did. I thought my message did not go through so I tried again and it posted twice! Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynord Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Buy and paint whatever you want. I personally don't care for Nissan cars, but I don't write Nissan and tell them that "enough is enough" and they should discontinue.... Sophie is cool, and Reaper will keep putting her out as long as she turns a profit. Besides, after painting like a thousand dwarves, goblins, knights, or monkeys on grand terrain, don't you want to take a few moments and do something more... appealing? My request: Give us more Sophie related Swag! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattmcl Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Oh I was just kidding about bootlegging Sophie. I'm a graphic designer and it would tick me off if someone ripped off my stuff. Sarcasm doesn't read so well over ASCII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhandstudios Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Buy and paint whatever you want. I personally don't care for Nissan cars, but I don't write Nissan and tell them that "enough is enough" and they should discontinue.... Sophie is cool, and Reaper will keep putting her out as long as she turns a profit. Besides, after painting like a thousand dwarves, goblins, knights, or monkeys on grand terrain, don't you want to take a few moments and do something more... appealing? My request: Give us more Sophie related Swag! Amen! If you don't like it, don't buy it. Your dollar votes!!!! I love sophie. I like looking at the mini, at the different takes on the same figure by various artists. Rock on reaper peeps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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