2 base size changes made

[Brushmaster]

The thing I've seen with the Hydra that its been backed up by a couple of clerics which have a group of flying Gaan-Hor Clan Warriors , so positioned as that one can not base the clerics but that they have clear LOS .

 

This is blatant abuse of the rules and clearly not the rules intent, flying models in the air should not be able to block someone from basing a model on the ground, that's obviously not the rules intent, and anyone trying to pull that stunt would get a few choice words, and wouldn't be seeing me across the gaming table form them again. Models burrowing or in the air should be moved appropriately out of the way in such a situation.

 

T'Kay is a chump in such a situation, with MD 13 your Ashkrypt equipped with Ice Storm and greater familiar kills her in and all her spells in a single shot on 3+, and Arik kills any other T'Kay on the board on 4's or better. Overlord X-Bowmen crit shot her on 4's, and then can proceed to pound the heck out of the Hydra.

 

THe quickest way to put Hellsgate in his place is to take out a freelance force, employ a whole lot of Goblins or bondslaves (20ish)in it to force the Hydra to only be able to move a few inches at a time, deal with any healers first, using magic or archers, while the Goblins act as supreme speed bumps against the Hydra. With all those points tucked into 2 clerics, and Gaan-Hor plus the Hydra you'll roll over this build because it is unbalanced.

 

 

The thing I've seen with the Hydra that its been backed up by a couple of clerics which have a group of flying Gaan-Hor Clan Warriors , so positioned as that one can not base the clerics but that they have clear LOS .

To echo what SE said, plus point out that EE once told a guy who was doing that to stop doing it or be expelled from the tourney for poor sportsmanship. That is an abuse of a necessary rule (the fact that 2 models can't physically occupy the same space at the same time). Before he left, EE and I were experimenting with different fixes, but with didn't come up with a universally satisfactory one.

All fair enough and although it is not within the intent of the rules , it's still within the rules as they are worded .

[rgtriplec]

The thing I've seen with the Hydra that its been backed up by a couple of clerics which have a group of flying Gaan-Hor Clan Warriors , so positioned as that one can not base the clerics but that they have clear LOS .

To echo what SE said, plus point out that EE once told a guy who was doing that to stop doing it or be expelled from the tourney for poor sportsmanship. That is an abuse of a necessary rule (the fact that 2 models can't physically occupy the same space at the same time). Before he left, EE and I were experimenting with different fixes, but with didn't come up with a universally satisfactory one.

 

This is good to know because recently I have been bitten because a flying/burrowing model blocked b2b.

 

I think an easy fix would be applying the same logic as a cavalry face change. The models just have to move and make room.

[cristomeyers]

This would only work for a limited set of models, but for burrowers and flyers I just left them off of the base. If it's flying/burrowing, I take the model off of the base.

[Tomash]

All fair enough and although it is not within the intent of the rules , it's still within the rules as they are worded .

I've been playing Warhammer (both of them, actually) and RAW (Rule As Written) attitude is slowly winning (backed up even by Alessio Calvatore, author of WFB 7th ed rulebook) with all the "fluff mumblers", with the latter trying to preserve the spirit of the game and rules' authors' intent. That's what drives me away from Warhammer - can You imagine that Wood Elves Battle Standard Bearer cannot take normal bow (as with any two-handed weapon), but can take a magical one, as the latter one doesn't fall into "bows" category, because "treated as bow" isn't written in its rules?

 

This is sick and I'm glad to see that my new love, Warlord, has a community with very "healthy" attitude towards rules, throwing RAW into trash in favor of sportsmanship and spirit of the game.

[Saint Vierzehn]

All fair enough and although it is not within the intent of the rules , it's still within the rules as they are worded .

 

 

Sadly, for those few of us who suffer an inability to read the minds of absent game designers, the written rule is all we have to go by. When you face that limitation, written rules are the only measure of the designer's intent.

 

-StV.

[Brushmaster]

All fair enough and although it is not within the intent of the rules , it's still within the rules as they are worded .

 

 

Sadly, for those few of us who suffer an inability to read the minds of absent game designers, the written rule is all we have to go by. When you face that limitation, written rules are the only measure of the designer's intent.

 

-StV.

Until someone tries to break them . LikeI said , it's all within the rules , but try this on me twice !