Sure shot and Marksmen combinations

[Skipper]

In our game Monday night, we came across a good question that needs clarrifying.

 

In the rule book under Combat and Noncombat actions (pg 59 I think) it states you can take

A) two non-combat actions,

B)a combat then non-combat action,

C)or a non-combat followed by a combat actions

 

Under combat actions it lists Use Special Action (SA) as one of the actions.

Marksmen is a SA as is Sureshot. How is this interpretted.

 

1) The elf player must choose between Marksmen and Sure shot (a combat action only allows one SA action other wise it would be multiple combat actions)

2) The elf player would be able to fire the Vale archers twice using Marksmen and then reroll one miss with Sureshot. (This seems to violate the one combat action per turn)

 

OK, let the discussion begin.

[Brushmaster]

In our game Monday night, we came across a good question that needs clarrifying.

 

1) The elf player must choose between Marksmen and Sure shot (a combat action only allows one SA action other wise it would be multiple combat actions)

2) The elf player would be able to fire the Vale archers twice using Marksmen and then reroll one miss with Sureshot. (This seems to violate the one combat action per turn)

No , the elf player does not have to choose as "Sure Shot" is an ability that allows a reroll . The 2 SA's can be combined because in the description of Marksman , it states that it can not be combined with Critical Shot or Indirect Shot .

Edited July 19, 2007 by Brushmaster

[Castlebuilder]

Not every special ability requires an action to use it. If they do, (such as marksman), it will tell you in the description.

 

For example, If you have a bonus charge/4, you still get your attack action if you charge into contact on the first activation even though you used your charge bonus SA.

 

On the same line, if a mini is stunned and makes his tough check, he didn't sacrafice an action to make that tough check.

 

Bottom line, Elf archers are really that deadly..........

 

Castlebuilder

[Skipper]

Therefore, I assume the following combinations are also legal.

 

1. Marksmen and Poison shot

2. Critical strike and Poison shot

3. Warmaster and Frenzy

4. Warmaster, Frenzy, and Poison Strike.

 

I'm sure there are others. We debated sureshot for a while and had decided it was an activated SA. The indication here is that it is not activated, but is innate. I think we can live with that.

[Gus Landt]

1-4) Yes

 

As per the clarification sheet on reapergames: "Special Abilities that require an Invoke Special Ability action will specifically say they require it."

If a special ability doesn't explicitly state that you must use an Invoke Special Ability action to use it, you do not need to do so.