Cerridwyn1st Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I'm finishing up a cat that I will add to the base of another model I'm working on. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on how you would paint the color pattern for a Siamese? A couple of things that I know about the color patter. The Siamese color pattern represents a type of albanism (that is, and albino trait). The way the trait works is that there is no melenin in the areas of the body that are warmer than others. That is why the color is visible in the tail, mask, and legs. These areas are known as the "points". Color can also be seen in other, cooler areas of the body. The color is not as intense in these areas. Examples of areas that are shaded would be over the hips, shoulders, and sometimes along the spine. The color expression is more intense in older cats. So, how would you paint a Siamese cat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helltown Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Well blue eyes are a must and due to the elongated muzzle, Siamese always look cross-eyed so if the mini allows incorporate that. As for the actual painting of the points, it would probably be best to lay down a smooth basecoat of a faun color (white leather with a hint of Khaki highlight should do well for that) and then apply the points. They'll be darkest at the paws, tail tip, ears, and around the nose, the color of course dependent upon the pointing of your Siamese (the traditional seal point you can use Brown Liner). Then you've two choices, you can layer up to your base coat (meaning mixing colors til you reach your faun color) or you can glaze with thin layers of your basecoat (just the basecoat, thinned to about eight parts water to one part paint) until the desired gradient has been achieved (I call it fading, but it's probably got a more technical term). Sounds like it'll be a pretty kitty however you decided to go about painting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuCulain42 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 So, how would you paint a Siamese cat? I would paint one very quickly as none of mine sit still very long. Just to help out here are three of mine. I've notice that flame point like in pic one don't tend to get as much coloration in the body area that seal points, and the other darker point siamese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper User Vaitalla Posted July 31, 2007 Reaper User Share Posted July 31, 2007 I painted a little winged one for my entry at Gen Con last year; think the body was the Stained Ivory/Creamy Ivory duo and the points were Earth Brown glazes down to Muddy Brown at the tips of the points. But then I went with a seal-point look. Might be able to find a pic around here somewhere... --Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helltown Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I forgot completely about the Ivory colors I just rattled off what I have in my selection out of reflex... I need more paints... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerridwyn1st Posted July 31, 2007 Author Share Posted July 31, 2007 (edited) That would be cool Anne, thank-you. I used Stained Ivory for the body of the cat. The points are a mix of Brown Liner and Intense Brown. I was trying for a Seal Point but to me it looks more like chocolate. I've also mixed the ivory and "point" mix to glaze over places the coat would be a little darker from bone protruding close to the skin. I'll keep the Stained Ivory/Cream in mind for parts that should be a little lighter. Helltown: White leather with a little khaki would be pretty close to Stained Ivory. I think it would come out looking a little more gray though, since White Leather has a greyish hue. Having lots of colors is nice, but having them where you can see them is better. I find I'm making much better use of my paints since I took them out of the travel cases and have them on Paintiers. If I'm thinking of a color I just give the PT a spin and pluck what I want from its place. Don't worry about the collection; it will come in time. By a few here, a few there, before you know it your friends and family will look at your set and say "Good LORD that's a lot of paint!" CuCulain: Thanks for the pix of the kitties. I've had a Flame Point Himilayan and a Flame-point Applehead Siamese. The applehead was a shelter rescue, the sweetest cat I've ever owned. I was looking for a missing kitten at the shelter when I saw him. He rubbed his face against the cage like, "Take me home, please!" so I did. Is the Lynxpoint in the bottom a ragdoll? Looks like it has some white spotting mixed in with the point colors. Edited July 31, 2007 by Cerridwyn1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuCulain42 Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Is the Lynxpoint in the bottom a ragdoll? Looks like it has some white spotting mixed in with the point colors. I'd actually describe her as a snowshoe mix(mix becase pure snowshoes are short hair), all of her paws are white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helltown Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 That would be cool Anne, thank-you. I used Stained Ivory for the body of the cat. The points are a mix of Brown Liner and Intense Brown. I was trying for a Seal Point but to me it looks more like chocolate. I've also mixed the ivory and "point" mix to glaze over places the coat would be a little darker from bone protruding close to the skin. I'll keep the Stained Ivory/Cream in mind for parts that should be a little lighter. Helltown: White leather with a little khaki would be pretty close to Stained Ivory. I think it would come out looking a little more gray though, since White Leather has a greyish hue. Having lots of colors is nice, but having them where you can see them is better. I find I'm making much better use of my paints since I took them out of the travel cases and have them on Paintiers. If I'm thinking of a color I just give the PT a spin and pluck what I want from its place. Don't worry about the collection; it will come in time. By a few here, a few there, before you know it your friends and family will look at your set and say "Good LORD that's a lot of paint!" They already think that So they just look at me like I'm crazy for wanting more paints. I haven't got nearly enough blues or greens... or yellows... can never have too many yellows and I haven't gotten any RMS reds yet to go with my 8 other reds (VMC, GW, and RPP) other than Clear Red... But I really do need blues. and flesh tones.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerridwyn1st Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) Here are some pix of the WIP. Comments and advice welcome. I'm thinking the ends of the points need to be a bit darker. This is a nice sculpt for a Siamese, as he's rather lean and muscular. Edited August 1, 2007 by Cerridwyn1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper User Vaitalla Posted August 1, 2007 Reaper User Share Posted August 1, 2007 Okies, found it, here's the pic, kitty I'm dead sure was Stained Ivory/Creamy Ivory for the body and an Earth Brown/Muddy Brown (plus Blackened Brown on the tail) progression on the points. And the eyes are Tonkinese teal more than Siamese blue because he was matching his owner. Reaper familiars rock!! --Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vutpakdi Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I agree that slightly darker points would help. Perhaps a bit darker (more towards Yellowed Bone) in the body as well? It's a bit hard to tell because I may just be seeing too much brightness from the surrounding. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerridwyn1st Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 That's a cool kitty, Anne. Looks like there is a little of the color from the base details on the wings. Is he kind of a youngish cat? Their points aren't as intense as older cats, and they don't have as much of the color on their bodies. One of the first models I painted was the winged cat. Maybe I'll have to go back and paint another one. Thanks for posting the pix. I kind of got going with Intense Brown/Brown Liner before I read this, but chose Ivory for the body. It works very well. I like Blackened Brown a lot, by the way. That whole triad is a great addition to the RMS line-up. Now granted, I didn't dance around the game store crowing, "Anne's BRILLIANT!" like when the first set of liner colors came out, but I do think the whole Classic Browns triad is awesome. Ron: After I posted the pix last night, I went back and worked on the kitty some more. I made him a little darker towards the ends of the points, and added a little highlighing along his back. I also made a wash of 25/75 Intense Brown/Brown Liner to smooth the transistions on the points from the darkest to lightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artists Wren Posted August 1, 2007 Artists Share Posted August 1, 2007 I painted a Siamese a while back. I checked my notes and it was one of those times I have to kick myself for because I didn't note the colours. I think I used volcano brown for the points, but I'm not sure. I think your WIP is looking very nice, though the tip of the raised foot doesn't look as darkened as the other points on the side view. Siamese and tabby painted cats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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