fieldarchy Posted September 7, 2007 Author Share Posted September 7, 2007 Oy! a Dragon?! I dunno. I'm still afraid to tackle the reaper dragon I have So, what fluff? What do I need to know? Remember, I know NOTHIN' GW. I mean that quite seriously. I dunno nadda when it comes to GW other than they exist and their basic armies . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kutz Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 When you go to the GW store (or any place that has there stuff...) grab a Codex and look inside. Lots of fluff. Stuff like The Great So-and-so was wounded in the battle for Planet 8675309, by Wunder-boy and has a scar on his right cheek. He uses a super charged weedwacker of doom which was handed down to him through the ages by the grand high oompa loompa of Saturn XCII. The GW people like it when you take there fluff and make a model that matches it that isn't available. They like it more and more, the more kits you use parts from...that way when they publish it in White Dwarf they have the option of attempting to get people to buy $90 worth of miniature kits in order to create a single $7-10 miniature. See if you can get your hands on a GW Catalog as a place to start. Flip through it and see what they got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldarchy Posted September 7, 2007 Author Share Posted September 7, 2007 hmmm ok. I think these are also available online . . . at least parts of them are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurityThruFire Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Conversios, conversions, conversions... Fluff, fluff, fluff... That Canadian Golden Demon winner was sculpted by the artist, he only used a torso from a Terminator model I believe. They love that stuff, that is the stuff that wins. Depending on what you want to do, scan through either a 40K Codex or a WFB Army Book, all of the fluff you'll need will be contained within. Look at the characters, the "leaders" of the army and the heroes. It's hard to tell what will be "hot" with GW in 2008, right now WFB is pretty fresh with new rules and 40K is about to unleash Apocalypse which is a rules set fro HUGE battles, so you're going to see lots of BIG vehicles, they will probably be all about selling these disgustingly over-priced large vehicle kits and disgustingly over-priced Apocalypse army packs. Also, there should be an Orc Codex on its way for 40K. There are even series of Warhammer and 40K books out therem check your local bookstore. These people are not joking, they are completely batty-nutz about the stories of their universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mengu Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 If you aren't normally interested in GW figures, and don't normally paint GW figures, why are you trying to paint something for a Golden Demon? Wouldn't you rather enjoy spending that time on a ReaperCon entry or a GenCon entry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRigger Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 If you aren't normally interested in GW figures, and don't normally paint GW figures, why are you trying to paint something for a Golden Demon? Wouldn't you rather enjoy spending that time on a ReaperCon entry or a GenCon entry? I've got to echo this as well. Why spend gobs of time painting something you aren't really in to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerridwyn1st Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 If you aren't normally interested in GW figures, and don't normally paint GW figures, why are you trying to paint something for a Golden Demon? Wouldn't you rather enjoy spending that time on a ReaperCon entry or a GenCon entry? I've got to echo this as well. Why spend gobs of time painting something you aren't really in to. How many "name" painters do you know that have never won a Golden Demon? How many "name" painters do you know that have several? It's a stepping-stone to being a well-known painter, cheesy as it sounds. Yes, Mengu, I know you've made your reputation on Reaper and Privateer (I saw your entries in PP's Gen Con contest.) Very few well-known painters have followed that route. On the other hand, the list of painters that HAVE one or more Demons includes Jen Haley, Anne Foester, Sue W., Lilianna Troy, Jeff Wilhelm, Victoria Lamb, etc. Some of the landmark models in Miniature Painting have been Golden Demon entries. Think Victoria's Sister attacking a robot or her "Rescue of St. Joan". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRigger Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Ah! Ok, I understand now - it isn't about pushing one's self to excel in a hobby they enjoy - but more about developing brand recognition to better market one's self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wehrmacht Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 ... or... it could be that some folks want recognition of their skillset in the hobby they enjoy. The Demons to me are not only something to strive for they represent a real echelon in what we can achieve in the hobby. I can totally understand what Meg wants to do. Not to mention that prepping for competition is a VERY good way to polish your skills, take it to the next level etc. LW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerridwyn1st Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 (edited) Ah! Ok, I understand now - it isn't about pushing one's self to excel in a hobby they enjoy - but more about developing brand recognition to better market one's self. I didn't say it had nothing to do with pushing yourself to excel. The competition for a Golden Demon is fierce. It takes a lot of work to win. Not just excellent paint, but research and execution count a lot too. If you want a competition where Paint is All, go to Gen Con. There, they don't care if you paint something that's been out of print for twenty years, as long as it looks awesome. A Ral Partha dragon placed in the Dragon awards. I think it was second or third. You might not win a manufacturer award with older models, but if your goal is to win, find something you like and paint it better than anyone else. With the Golden Demons, you have to research what's "hot", do some spiffy conversions that go along with the fluff, and THEN paint it better than anyone else. That, and hope there isn't some "Golden Child" they want to give a sword to. I swear, GD Atlanta this year, Angela Imry was robbed... Edited September 7, 2007 by Cerridwyn1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRigger Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 (edited) I've got a lot of respect for the Gen Con painting and the Reaper Con painting - actually. Demons are kind of arbitrary - sometimes the judging is bang on and something the judges don't care - they only want to pick what is best for marketing - my gut is to still go with what you enjoy - it is easier to paint better with a model you love than one you are simply doing because you have to. Rather than spend 80 hrs on a space marine, and 80 on something for Gen Con - why not spend 160 on something you really love for GenCon and go head to head with the names - especially if you beat them. There are as many if not more painters who haven't even entered the demons out there who are good in all fields be it historical or fantasy. Poke around Cmon and see - and they earn just as much of a reputation. Edited September 7, 2007 by SaintRigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRigger Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 (edited) That, and hope there isn't some "Golden Child" they want to give a sword to. I swear, GD Atlanta this year, Angela Imry was robbed... Exactly! There have been plenty of demons where people (including the painters themselves) scratch their head wondering why things placed the way they did. Edit - this isn't to say "Stay away" - but I think people would be happiest if they just work on what they like. If they do find a model and it inspires them - go for it! It shows in the finished product - a model might be technically painted very well, but one can often sense when there is that little bit of inspiration that is missing. Check out the lines - there are some neat things in the fantasy ranges. Ask questions too - lots of people here also like GW and can help you out. Edited September 7, 2007 by SaintRigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerridwyn1st Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Oy! a Dragon?! I dunno. I'm still afraid to tackle the reaper dragon I have So, what fluff? What do I need to know? Remember, I know NOTHIN' GW. I mean that quite seriously. I dunno nadda when it comes to GW other than they exist and their basic armies . . . The fluff is half the fun. You should go hang out when the Fan Boys are playing and listen to them talk about the back stories. It's obvious very quickly that the story is as big a part of the draw as the game itself. My favorites are the Sisters of Battle. Since their Codex tends to get revised JUST BEFORE they come out with a new update for the core rules, it will probably be a while before the Sisters are "hot". I still love to paint them, even if I'm unlikely to win jack in the process. I might even get enough of them painted someday to play the things. Here's my advice: you know tons of GD winners. Show them your work as you progress and ask for comments. You might want to attend GD Atlanta. It is a fairly small show. It is also pretty much the first show of the year for the Games Day season, so you'd get a chance to see some stuff up-close and personal. It is much closer than say, Chicago or Baltamore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldarchy Posted September 7, 2007 Author Share Posted September 7, 2007 I am also planning RCon entries and GenCon entries so my focus isn't entirely on Demon. Demon however is THE route to go if you want to be a recognized painter. It is the credentials of credentials. Yes I could win a Sophie Trophie and be pretty happy with that but unfortunately it isn't the "standard" for winning awards and boosting your credentials. Golden Demon is. If you have a Demon it's kind of like the rest of the painting world says, "Now you are a REAL painter!" Also, I need to expand my horizons and see what else is out there. What's wrong with that? I've only been a gamer for three years and a painter just a little bit shorter than that. I got into D&D not GW stuff. So, I've not really even give GW a second thought because I don't know anything about it. I am looking forward to painting some LOTR stuff though. I LOVE LOTR. I'll probably even watch the movies while I'm painting the models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldarchy Posted September 7, 2007 Author Share Posted September 7, 2007 Oh and Mel the reason I'm looking at going to Baltimore is because that is home for me. All of my family is in the area so I wouldn't have to worry about a hotel. I may think about Atlanta but I would rather go to Baltimore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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