matsumoto Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 OK, all Sages of the Metal... i need a warload of mini's for a new L5R 'WarPG' i will be running, and i need to know.... is the Old Glory scale 25mmm actually herioc-ish in scale or is it closer to true 25mm? i also see they have 2 samurai ranges..under 'fantasy' they have the crap range with "fire mountain clan" and "female samurai" with odd not-so-japanese names... i care not about those. then they have a general category 'samurai wars' that has amazing 30 mini's for 30 dollars kinda thing. wow! Those ones are the ones whose scale i really wonder about.... i like the sculpts and the choice of poses...as well as the price, if it's for real.... loads of minis...for huge battles...Mmmmmm!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Porsenna Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 The scale of the OG ranges varies considerably. From "true" 28mm to slightly larger 28mm. But definitely 28mm. They'd look small compared Reaper, though larger than Perry's. Let me see if I can take a photo... Damon, be back later... EDIT: Here's a pic on in the Showoff Section: http://www.reapermini.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=29221 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanker22 Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Old Glory and Battle Honors are made for the large scale battles at a decent price. For war gamming thats all I use. The quality of sculpts are good for what they are used for but not like reaper stuff at all. And yes they do run a bit smaller than reaper but they are proportional correct. Not like GW stuff all big and bulky and inaccuret most the time it seems. I've painted the Samurai that Lars put up, around 80- 100 of them. Very nice looking on the game table. Guess what I'm trying to say is for the price you cant beat the quality and selection they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRigger Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I find the Old Glory to be hit or miss, depending on the line. I rather like their itallian renaissance figures, but some of their others are pretty "not good" The scales are a bit weird too, actually - so the best bet it to find the line you wnat, and see if you can't get a comparison piece, or pictures first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaintByNumbers Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Dixon makes the best large 25mm Samurai. Not cheap though. Bigger than OG. Could use for important figures; they paint up really well. Question: Who makes 25/28mm Samurai in narrow blister packs with a yellow label? I lost the packaging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matsumoto Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 Dixon makes the best large 25mm Samurai. Not cheap though. Bigger than OG. Could use for important figures; they paint up really well. Question: Who makes 25/28mm Samurai in narrow blister packs with a yellow label? I lost the packaging. That'd be wargames foundry, i think...or is the whole blister yellow....i've forgotten? Dixon's heads are a bit to large, though they do have good sculpts for the price. all in all they are pretty OK TAG sucks like a...well, lemme just say that i don't like TAG and will not buy their product...until they upgrade their sculpting. To all of you , Thanks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Porsenna Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I'm mystified by your comment matsumoto. TAG has probably the best sculpting I've seen in a while...while the casting can sometimes leave a bit to be desired, and some of the details get a bit lost (I'm thinking of the lacing at the bottom of the various plates, and a few figures using a 2 finger bowpull, rather than thumb-finger pull), the figures are WAY better than OG any day of the week, and much better than Foundry's rather anemic range...and HUGELY better than Dixons (which is IMHO worse than OGs, bad details, huge heads, etc)... Damon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matsumoto Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 I'm mystified by your comment matsumoto. TAG has probably the best sculpting I've seen in a while...while the casting can sometimes leave a bit to be desired, and some of the details get a bit lost (I'm thinking of the lacing at the bottom of the various plates, and a few figures using a 2 finger bowpull, rather than thumb-finger pull), the figures are WAY better than OG any day of the week, and much better than Foundry's rather anemic range...and HUGELY better than Dixons (which is IMHO worse than OGs, bad details, huge heads, etc)... Damon. TAG? ok, i say samurai specifically...the make some hot other mini's... note: i'm speakign Sengoku Jidai armor here...if this is Gempei armor, many of the technical details can be discounted as far as armor goes... 1) the armor looks too blockish and flat. samurai armor has square segments, but anyone who's seen the stuff up close notices how everythign has a gentle curve and sometimes a lip...the TAG looks to me like they wear really cheap armor. 2)heads are a tad large, i say...even though they are supposed to be short asian guys. 3) helmets of the kabuto variety should look like some kinda metal ballcap with chopped visor...these guys wear rice bowls, no visor. likewise, what hapened to the fukageshi? they are suppoosed to flare between a 5-20 degree angle, and connect flush with the helm. these are a tad un-flush, and are flat in angle. Ok, i must say, scrolling through while double screening: their Sohei are f'in' HOT!!! very good sculpts there! 4)their peasant raincapes could use some body and fluff...they look like tatami.... 5) naginata look like long nagamaki. small deal there... i will give you this...they aren't bad miniatures... and i haven't looked at Dixon in ages, so my opinion of them may be aged with time...but i'd say i have a better deal with most other companies. Perry for absolutely sure knocks their socks off.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Porsenna Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 They ARE Gempei war era armors, so the Dō is SUPPOSED to be flat an box-like. It was only much later that the Dō took a more rounded and molded look as the importance of archery declined (Dō of this period had a covering over the armor to prevent a bowstring from getting caught on the laces). Check out the followers, who mostly wear the haramaki-dō. Also I'd say there is quite a variety of Fukigaeshi styles in helmets, from massively broad items that flare at a 45deg angle, to nearly non-existent items. And the helmets DO have visors (not as prominent as Sengoku armors, but its there). While the big head syndrome is one common to minis, if you don't like that, then Dixon is right out... IMHO, having a Dixon figure on my desk NOW, I wouldn't reccommend them anymore. The level of detail and sculpting finesse is definitely below the industry standards anymore... Damon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matsumoto Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 On Dixon: yeah, i went back and looked at their (mostly concept art) gallery of samurai...ick. i guess i was fresh outta clan war and still needing mini's...but, yeah, i'm glad i've never bought one. though i will say their armor design is pretty on-target, though the men look like dough-men or mud elemental human wannabees. On TAG: y'know, given this i will allow a second opinion to be generated...though if they wanna do gempei, i'd love to see them pull off some charcaters...a Yosh|tsune and Benkei blister would be very cool...as would a taira clan cohort pack and a maku with Yoritomo... I, besides my fantasy L5R games, am a Sengoku Jidai gamer....that period is just way too damn much fun!!!! On Fukageshi: if anythign, japanese armor was individualized... i do beleive there was one helmet exapmle from the Mongol invasion period with fukageshi almost as big as the helm itself....but in sengoku Jidai, there actually was a "pattern" for "standard samurai armor", which given the non-industrialized and localized consructuion was sure to have details changable. on this, fukageshi were about 'cupped hand size' (depending on the hand) and usually kept to a 45 degree parabola, flush with base of helm-rim, and were oft extensions from the neck covering as opposed to seperate internal mounted pieces. Typing all this makes me realize i forgot half my nihon armor terms. back to school, matsu'.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaintByNumbers Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 >>> That'd be wargames foundry, i think...or is the whole blister yellow....i've forgotten? >>> No, it was a company I'd never heard of before. WF has rectangular blisters; these were about 5" tall and only 1 1/2" wide and deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strateegos Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Wow, Old Glory is a sore subject with me. The best thing is that you get bang for the buck with OG. I have a ton of Republican Romans that are so poorly cast, ( I know they are ancient, the molds that is) that the figure is shifted from top to bottom. I got burned out painting them doing a Greek army. I hate the 15's even worse. Can't paint them for anything. I will take Essex stiff bodies any day. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Porsenna Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I'm quite the opposite. While Essex tends to be very well cast, they also tend (IMHO) to be very vanilla and lacking in detail. OG15s have lots of detail but the casting quality might not be as high. They do make excellent (IMHO) Palmyrene figures, and I personally would choose OG15s over Essex any day... Damon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baphomet69 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I'm a fan of Corvus Belli, myself. I got a pack of OG15's and...ick. I don't think I'm ever even going to try and paint them up. At least not until I run out of everything else. Looking at the figures on the Essex site, they don't look very detailed and kind of...blobby? The CB figures seem a little big, they barely fit 4 to a 40mm base (with shields), but they are very nicely detailed and the mold lines aren't that bad. Just my 2 denarii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matsumoto Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 I'm a fan of Corvus Belli, myself. Corvus Belli is imported from spain. i have actually not checked their 15's out, but their fantasy figures are on the higher end of the scale...or just scan the infinity prices... love to spend the cash.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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