Bilesuck Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 It's art, and unfortunately all the good and bad trappings that come with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldarchy Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Ang I can agree with that. Those who are cranking out TT to play with and not doing a really great job, just priming black and drybrushing color on--that would be a craft in my opinion. Those who spend 20 hours on one mini though that's art at that point. I would like to think SOME of my stuff would fall in the art category. Besides I have been termed a "local artist" both in AZ and here by people . . . so that *must* mean what I do is art! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilesuck Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Ang I can agree with that. Those who are cranking out TT to play with and not doing a really great job, just priming black and drybrushing color on--that would be a craft in my opinion. Those who spend 20 hours on one mini though that's art at that point. I would like to think SOME of my stuff would fall in the art category. Besides I have been termed a "local artist" both in AZ and here by people . . . so that *must* mean what I do is art! Sorry, if what you do is art, then the TT guys are also art. You can't decide cause some elses art does not take as long or is as detailed it is not art. If mini painting is art, then all forms of it are art. This is part of the "art" that I hate, when people decide that some elses work is not "Art" because they didn't work as hard, or did something different. I may hate modern art myself, but the people who do it are still artists, not craft people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyrmgear Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 The physical expression of soul or emotion; to me this is art. I look at a mini and I don't think: Man, if I paint this up good I will make a bit-o-cash on Ebay Hmm, the subtle application of various hues at utilizing a balanced saturation will win that comp and get me some notoriety What I do think: Gods what a cool sculpt, I HAVE to paint this... even if no one but me ever sees it. Just my two-pence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kutz Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Bingo. The skill/time doesn't make it art - the process does. That is why I don't call it art. I have a niece (not really...daughter of a friend) who loves to color. She will take a page from a coloring book and use all kinds of shading and highlighting and really make it look quite impressive. However I do not consider it to be a work of art. Craftsman can spend over a year working on a single piece of furniture, but still they remain a carpenter/furniture maker and not an artist - and most would be offended at being called an artist. Artists produce stuff that has no use, craftsman produce stuff that has a purpose and aesthetic appeal. Then again, most would also be offended by the term craft people - as that normally refers to scrapbookers and people who do similar things. Anywho, a lot of the problem arrises from our current mass produced society. A lot of people refer to people who sew as artists - even though it is nothing more than an age old craft that has been practiced by hard working individuals for centuries. Same goes for the cobbler who fixes my boots when I need it. There are a lot of those skill sets which have been pushed out of plain sight, so that when you see someone who does it for a living (or even a hobby) it is looked at like an art form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versutus Vulpes Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Art is craft that has put on airs. There is nothing wrong with the term craft - it does not unto itself denote skill level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angorak Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Ang I can agree with that. Those who are cranking out TT to play with and not doing a really great job, just priming black and drybrushing color on--that would be a craft in my opinion. Those who spend 20 hours on one mini though that's art at that point. I would like to think SOME of my stuff would fall in the art category. Besides I have been termed a "local artist" both in AZ and here by people . . . so that *must* mean what I do is art! Sorry, if what you do is art, then the TT guys are also art. You can't decide cause some elses art does not take as long or is as detailed it is not art. If mini painting is art, then all forms of it are art. This is part of the "art" that I hate, when people decide that some elses work is not "Art" because they didn't work as hard, or did something different. I may hate modern art myself, but the people who do it are still artists, not craft people. I have to respectfully disagree Bilesuck. I know some that approach the task of painting lots of models for tabletop that do so only to get them on the table and spend as little time as possible to achieve that end. That is not even what I consider craft or anything approaching art. I'm not trying to demean them but the only thing on thier mind is not to show up with a pewter or primed army to face a painted force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japenny_902 Posted November 14, 2007 Author Share Posted November 14, 2007 Hi guys, Wow a lot of great replies here. This is awesome, and I was hoping that there would be a good discussion. I personally beleive that miniature painting can be considered art. You can tell whole stories with a miniature, just in the way you paint it. Color theory plays a big part of miniature painting, and using those colors in certain ways can set such varied moods that a painter's personality can really shine through. Light sourcing and NMM are artistic concepts that are used every day in miniature painting, and have their origins in fine art. If it let's you express yourself and tell your message in your own way then it's art, most people wouldn't argue with it. At least I don't think so anyway. I could really start rambling here but I won't, these are just a few of my reasons why I consider miniature painting an artform. Does painting a portrait mean it's a craft because it's copying something, and putting your own spin on it? I'm not sure that there is a definate answer to this question, but that is my opinion on the matter Cheers James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquila Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 oh it's art alright. i believe all forms of creative expression can be called art. but saying that i do feel much the same as joe kutz saying miniature painting is like putting colour in a colouring book. if someone were to call me an artist i would never feel like a true artist unless i sculpted the mini as well. i can't draw much nor paint in the tradition of the great watrcolourists that i admire but at least i could try to put a blob of paint here and there on a piece of metal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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