Zinzig Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 I ran the numbers...for my general auction format it will cost me an additional 33 cents, rounding up (assuming a 25 dollar sell point). If I'm that hard up for the 33 cents I'll tack it onto shipping or stop shipping priority and just send parcel post. Ebay is a business, they want to make money and I'm using their servers, storage etc to sell my minis. I'm ok with the price changes. I'd like them to re-think the changes to feedback but for the potential audience, I'll live with it. I'm not saying the changes are great, but I don't see a whole lot of viable alternatives. -Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisler Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 I hate to ask because I do a lot of selling on Ebay, but where is all this information on the changes located? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinzig Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 http://pages.ebay.com/sell/update08/overview/index.html http://pages.ebay.com/sell/update08/basic/index.html http://pages.ebay.com/sell/update08/feature/index.html These were part of a message delivered to "my messages" awhile back, part of the "my ebay" page. -Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisler Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 (edited) Perhaps I should stop deleting those ebay messages before I read them. So when I sell something at $100 it will now cost me $5.06 instead of $4.14 which is a 22% increase overall (ignoring Paypal fees). Since that is still less than the 6%+ a credit card company would charge me for the privelege of using their services if I was a retailer, Ebay is still looking like a pretty good deal to me. For that minor amount I have access to thousands of potential buyers that I would not otherwise be able to access. The whole sniping issue is not an issue for me as a seller, I could really care less when the bids come in as long as the item sells. As a buyer that's a whole different issue. Yes, if another auction service comes up that seriously makes an impact on the Ebay population I would consider switching. However, the one that looked like it might do that was killed on its launch date. I get a little disgruntled with the Paypal fees, but if I took this stuff to one of the major auctions, like Origins or Gencon or Denver (yes, I do consider my own auction to be pretty major and yes I do sell stuff and pay the fees there) or LA they are going to take more than what you are paying in Ebay and Paypal fees. Ebay is a business, they aren't doing this for free. They aren't the only game in town but they, by far, the best known and that's part of what you are paying for. So I will certainly continue selling on Ebay. Edited February 21, 2008 by Heisler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubilee Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 You'll be losing more than a few cents, the FVF is going up from 3% up to 66%. Also, if your DSR falls below 95% your items won't even show up in the searches even though you are still paying to list them. What is DSR? How am I supposed to find stuff to buy from little sellers if you can't search for it.. ? *boggle* /ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest I am not a number Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 I think ebay sucks. They have no customer service. Try emailing them sometime. They don't do anything to help you with bad sellers or customers. Paypal protection is a huge joke. Wait until you get a chargeback. If it is less than $500 they won't even bother to dispute it, they just take the money and you lose. I don't care what you do I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just telling you the facts. Ebay and paypal do not offer the protection of a real auction. Yeah it's a great way to get your item listed to thousands of people, if you want to bite the bullet and pay the extra fees and deal with the new feedback changes go for it. My experience selling their has been with russian and nigerian con artists, a crazy woman who charged me back, an evil seller who lied about shipping and charged me a fortune to ship a small package and threatened to get me suspended if I didn't pay, non-paying creeps telling me their nephew doesn't want it now or other bs stories, people trying to get me to sell it to them offline using western union, you name it every creep on the internet has come into contact with me through that horrible site. Good riddance if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest I am not a number Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 You'll be losing more than a few cents, the FVF is going up from 3% up to 66%. Also, if your DSR falls below 95% your items won't even show up in the searches even though you are still paying to list them. What is DSR? How am I supposed to find stuff to buy from little sellers if you can't search for it.. ? *boggle* /ali DSR are those little stars you get as a seller, you can't see them unless you make another account, or look at your profile through a proxy. From what I have read if they fall under a certain percentage your stuff will not show up, or you might not even be allowed to sell anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutebutpsycho Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 DSR is dealer satisfaction rating. It is the little stars and I can see them on my profile without logging in under another title. Honestly, if it weren't for ebay, I would probably not be selling minis at all. You can't exactly go to your local consignment shop to sell them there. I don't see advertising them in my local newspaper as a choice. Of course, there is my local FLGS, but that's a whole nother issue...... Regardless, I'm still making better than $10 an hour, even after you take fees and the cost of the mini out of the final deal. I can do it on my schedule while I'm a college student, I can do as much or as little as I want, and its something I enjoy. Fine, go right ahead and charge me a few cents more to advertise for me and make my items visible. It's not the little sellers you won't be able to see, just the ones who have poor ratings. In otherwords, you'll still find the things from the sellers who haven't caused undue problems. Now, admittedly, someone can snipe you and hurt you pretty bad, but only once for each item they buy from you. You can always refuse to allow certain buyers. Worried they'll create multiple accounts to get you? Don't be. You can refuse to accept bids from buyers with feedback ratings of less than x. Now, I'd prefer if you couldn't see the otherside's feedback until both sides had left theirs, but retaliatory remarks really do suck. I've had it happen to me, so I do appreciate that factor. In otherwords, it's all how you look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest I am not a number Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Oi ve. Gamers are supposed to be more intelligent than this. You don't know who leaves you the stars, you can get positive feedback but 1 star ratings. Think it doesn't happen? Think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KatieS Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 For so many people eBay is the only way to get their stuff out there. Like Cutebutpsycho, I would never be able to sell a lot of the stuff I get rid of on eBay because there's no one who would buy it locally. Or at least, not for a reasonable price. Your experiences are nothing like mine, I've had nothing but good interactions on eBay. I've bought on about 50 auctions and sold several hundred. I've had a non paying bidder or two, but I file the NPB thing and move on. I've never had a bad seller, but I am always careful to research my sellers before placing a bid. I also use the protection of my credit card. I always pay with a credit card via Paypal, and if I ever was to have a problem seller, you'd better believe I'd do a chargeback. I've never had any problems with buyers except for non-payment. And if I file with eBay I get my FVF back and relisting is also free if it sells the second time, so I'm not out there either. As a seller I am very proactive, charge close to actual shipping costs, pack everything well, and on over 200 auctions, have never had a complaint and only one person "dinged" me by giving me less than 5 on my stars. Don't know what people's problems with snipers are. As a bidder it means I place bid for exactly as high as I am willing to go and no further. Usually this bid is ~5% less than what it would cost me to get said item from elsewhere on the internet. If I get outbid, hey I could always get the same thing at Amazon or somewhere else, haha on that idiot for outbidding me when he could have gotten it for less. As a seller I also like snipers because it means I got another bid over what I was expecting towards the end of the auction. The only thing that sucks is I might have gotten more if the other guy had really bid what he was willing to pay, but that's his fault for not bidding that way. Oh, well. Also, about the stars thing, my understanding was that if your stars were below a certain point (something like 4.5? I don't remember) then you'd be lower down on the search list, not unsearchable. I don't see what the big deal is. I've gotten exactly 20 ratings broken down into the 4 categories. My current rating is 4.8/5.0. That means I either had mostly 5's and a few 4's or all 5's and a single 1 (probably from someone who had no idea how to use the system, because I have no negatives at all). If someone decides to be a jerk or if I have another idiot on my very next auction, then I might have a problem and my searches will be farther down in the list. For me that's not a huge deal as I get most of my bidders from CMoN or particular places that I advertise anyway. As for the change in feedback, my argument would be that it will make zero effective difference. Here's why: What difference does it make to a buyer if he gets negative feedback? Unless it puts him to -3 or -4 and loses his account, almost none (or in some cases, -1 as some people, me included, will not take bids from people with a feedback less than zero). Otherwise, negative feedback to a buyer is meaningless, a better thing to do is file the NPB (too many of those and they lose their account), put them on your blocked bidder list, and be done with it. Overall, am I annoyed with them raising fees again, sure. Who wants to pay more in fees? But not enough to go anywhere else, because, frankly, no where else do you get the kind of exposure that you do on eBay. More people will see your auctions there than anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulfthehunter Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 @ Number I would request that you please watch your tone. Most of us are trying to give our points, your language seems to be a bit hostile. Obviously you have strong feelings which is fine, but there are better ways to express them. As far as having to deal with a few tools...most of my auctions get sold to repeat buyers who know how to act on the Bay. I have dealth with a scammer or two, but I filed a DNP and got my cash back, most of the time I was able to sell it to the next highest bidder or relist it and make more money. All is good. As far as the sammers go I have never been scammed. If you know what to look for as anything in life you will be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest I am not a number Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 It doesn't matter to me the changes are all in my favor as I am a buyer. I had a chargeback come 3 mos later. I lost close to a $1000 on that, never got my money or item back. I'm an honest seller and have good feedback. Sniping is really just an annoying defect of the system that can not be fixed. Please, let us put this infelicitous confusion behind us now, shall we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperbryan Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 MOD is watching... Play Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisler Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Well, I'll but it behind me in a moment here, because I dislike being told I'm not intelligent. Although my DSR rating is not as high as I would like, it is a 4.7, I have a feedback rating of 100% from 605 unique individuals. I treat my ebay auctions like a business and deal with everyone fair and honestly. I have been the seller on well over 1000 auctions and have bought my fair share of stuff as well. I have dealt with people all over the globe; Australia, South Africa, Singapore, Japan, Canada, Norway, Sweden, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Russia and Spain. I must be doing something right since I have lots of repeat business and have never been shafted or conned. However, just like in real life there are certain things I refuse to sell or won't buy on ebay because they are as subject to cons as much as they are in person, Magic Cards come to mind. The few times I have had a problem it has been dealt with effectively by Ebay. Granted I suspect that I have been pretty lucky in the eight years or so since I started selling on Ebay. I'm sorry that your experiences have not been as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutebutpsycho Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I'm going to officially ask that tempers be cooled and we calm down about this whole topic. This was merely intended as a discussion of who is on ebay and why and it has turned into something much larger. This topic can be locked if we can't all cool down. Please return to the regularly scheduled topic at hand and, if we have any more insults traded, the mods will have to step in further. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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