Qwyksilver Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 I'm just hate having to wait until March 2009 to play a Druid or Barbarian when Player's handbook II comes out, yet they are releasing a splatbook (Martial Power), Manual of the Planes, Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, etc before they even get all the classes and likely races out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kutz Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 I'm just hate having to wait until March 2009 to play a Druid or Barbarian when Player's handbook II comes out, yet they are releasing a splatbook (Martial Power), Manual of the Planes, Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, etc before they even get all the classes and likely races out. Which will ensure they are able to sell Manual of the Planes II, Forgotten Realms II et. al. when the PHB II comes out in order to provide specific information for the classes and races which they left out of the first round of books... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristof65 Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 The Forgotten Realms books being released early on makes sense when you consider the new RPGA Living campaign is Forgotten Realms. My guess is that some of the "missing" races and classes will make their first appearance in the FR books. This strategy would certainly help increase sales of the FR line - you could wait for the PH2 9 months from now, or you can pick up an FR book within a couple of months to get your druid/barbarian/half-orc/gnome fix. Note, I've done no actual research to see if they've already announced the content of the FR books - I'm just making a guess. Did anyone else notice they split the Draconomicon into two different books this time around - one for Chromatic Dragons and another for Metallic? Any guesses on whether or not the two combined books contain more or less info than the 3.5e book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mengu Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 What are clerics for now? Everyone can heal by themselves, Paladins and Warlords have healing abilities that are close to the clerics and are much better in combat. Clerics can still heal considerably better than any other class. Paladins can't really heal more than a couple times a day, and they have a handful of abilities that grant healing or temporary hit points. Warlords are definitely better healers than Paladins, since they get to do it twice per encounter. But their additional healing abilities are still limited, though the inspiring warlord does a better job than the tactical warlord. Clerics, not only can heal twice per encounter but get bonuses to *all* their healing thanks to Healing Lore. A party that relies solely on second wind for in combat healing is up for a real rough time. A healer, whether it be cleric or warlord is very useful for a party. Cleric buffs such as Lance of Faith and Righteous Brand are priceless gems, some of the best at-will powers in the game. They are the tools which make every other character's encounter and daily abilities work more reliably. Temporary hit points from Sacred Flame are essentially pre-healing, that no other at-will power will match. Clerics are incredible healers and buffers, fullfilling their leader role quite sufficiently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krztoff Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Between clerics and warlords, bards are almost obsolete, although I do hope they get included in the PHB2. They have a chance to completely rework the class and make them truly unique. If they choose to include them, I'll be VERY interested in seeing what builds they choose for them. I have the core boxed set, and the more I read, the more I like. Not necessarily as a replacement for 3.5, but in addition to. The same way I can have CoC or AFMBE on my bookshelf without invalidating my 3.5 books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimp Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 4th is not 3rd, just as 3rd was not 2nd. Any ongoing campaign can be a pain to convert to a new system, or to an old system with major revisions. I've done it a few times, but never enjoyed it. We have a pulp campaign that started in Indiana Jones, moved to Adventure, moved to Savage Worlds, and has now found a home in Hollow Earth Expedition. That was a fun trip for all the characters. WotC is a business trying to make money. I'm happy to let them. If they have a product I think is worthwhile, they can have some of my money. If I don't like it, there are plenty of game companies with product I can spend the money on (even simply buying more Reaper figures for the games I already have). I was not thrilled with many of the changes from 2nd to 3rd for D&D, but I kept gaming. There were good and bad things involved, but the game went on. I'm largely ambivalent to the changes from 3rd to 4th. I see more good than bad, but it is another major change. While I can see reasons for it, I know it will turn off some gamers as much as it excites others. I'll play 4th if someone in our group wants to run it, but I won't invest heavily in it, just as I never invested heavily in 3rd. Nobody has to buy extra supplements unless they contain stuff the player wants to use. RPG's are limited by imagination, rather than purchased materials. I think the best thing about the change is that OGL will allow continued support for those players that don't want to change. There are some trash companies putting out support, but there are some good ones, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristof65 Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 I think the best thing about the change is that OGL will allow continued support for those players that don't want to change. To me, that's the best thing about 3/3.5e. Unless WotC goes even more out of their way to kill off 3.5e, it will still get new material. I think that lack of new material, more than anything else, tends to kill off an older game system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisler Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 There was discussion about ending the OGL for 3/3.5 put apparently there were some legal ramifications that will make it easier to just leave in place rather than try to close it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristof65 Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 There was discussion about ending the OGL for 3/3.5 put apparently there were some legal ramifications that will make it easier to just leave in place rather than try to close it down. Yeah, I know. I know that WotC's release of 4e and it's effect on the 3.5e OGL is being watched by a lot of people in the open-source software communities. It even came up on one of the computer hardware mailing lists I have to subscribe to for work, because the motherboards several companies make use open-source OS, and there was speculation that if WotC was successful, a couple of these companies would try and close up their OS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperbryan Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Not necessarily as a replacement for 3.5, but in addition to. The same way I can have CoC or AFMBE on my bookshelf without invalidating my 3.5 books. Bah! The version I have erased all the ink from all of the books on the shelves near it so now I can only play 4e. It also has subliminally made me desire to never by anything non-wotc again....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krztoff Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Well Bryan, you obviously didn't get the Super Ultra Mega Deluxe Limited Edition Pre-Order Leather Bound Ultimate Set. They won't eat your existing RPG library, and don't contain the nanobots programed to seek out and destroy all non-WotC miniatures. Totally worth the extra $700. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haldir Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Well, I gotta admit my opinion has shifted a bit on 4e. Will it replace 3.5 for me, no but it's a different change. I've been reading the PH on & off at home & on my lunch at work when I'm by myself. Some things are different that's for sure like starting hps, healing by everyone, new take on races, etc. I'd like to get into a game & see how it plays, but for now I guess I'm relegated to just reading the book & reading what everyone else does. I've been thinking about getting a pbp 4e game on here, but we'll see. Heck I might even purchase the DMG soon as well, who knows. Again, will 4e replace 3.5 for me, probably not, but I see there is room for both. RM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matsumoto Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 My First Impression on 4th edition DnD: It's completely designed for fun, with little or no care about research or simulation. take your flaming sword and go romp! After having played in a Campaign: --Skills can be too vague at times. --Warlord is one heluva interesting class addition... Since the dawn of time, there has been tieflings and, cute tielfing ladies. (especially the butt part.) nowadays, those cute tiefling butts are obscured by a rather large tail, whilst, OMG, Dragon born females are genetically allowed to walk around without any such hindrance. can you just imagine a dragonborn young and cute butt in a chainmail thong *cringe!* this, my friends, is an outrage!!! this requires justice! final thoughts: for real RPG, get somethign else. leave this to the trendy dumb down crowd... (until they release 4th ed ADVANCED Dungeons and Dragons!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator TaleSpinner Posted July 31, 2008 Moderator Share Posted July 31, 2008 I finally made it through the 4e PHB. I think it looks like an interesting system, but it no longer feels like D&D to me. Add to that that I have a rich and deep world that I have developed over the last 30 years, which makes use of things from D&D past editions that would be nearly impossible to convert to 4e and I just can't see converting to it. Our current campaign was started 8 years ago when 3e was released. The characters are in the 12th level range now. The campaign is designed to take them to the 20 to 30 level range. Maybe we'll look at converting when 5e comes out. TS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingwreckage Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Killin' and levelin' IS real RPG. Just not political or social RPG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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