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Hi; I'm a new member. I don't know what has been mentioned/listed in the past, so if my listing(s) have already been done...my apology. I would love to see:

 

1. A (3) figure set of modern " bikini beach babes " in varied style bikinis (with a beach ball accessory).

 

2. A (3) figure set of modern " club strippers " in varied standing poses (with a dance pole accessory).

 

3. A (3) figure set of a modern male photographer & 2 nude female models (1...in a standing pose & 1...in a sitting or kneeling pose)...(with a camera & tripod accessory).

 

4. A (3) figure set of a modern male artist/painter & 2 nude female models (1...in standing pose & 1...in a sitting pose)...(with a tripod canvas accessory).

 

5. A (3) figure set of modern females in " classic pinup " poses from the past (in classic standing poses...1 wearing a long sheer gown...1 wearing a sexy ornate bustier...1 wearing sexy bra, nylons, panties, garter belt...all wearing high heels)...(with a large ornate mirror accessory).

 

6. A (2 or 3) figure set of super sexy & hot " biker babes " to pose with the motorcycle that I see they have done.

 

7. A (2 or 3) figure set of sexy nudes standing in the shower. I want to do a shower scene vignette from the movie Psycho.

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Well, it's a wish-list really, not stuff I actually expect to see made. I am speculating about Star Trek mostly because Star Fleet Battles managed to prouce 'clone' miniatures and such for decades, and even their Away Team role-playing game spin-off, which were never official merchandise (no ST seal of approval and such).

 

Those figures were based on the Star Trek Technical Manual, which, IIRC, was done by the SPFX designer for Star Trek, who retained rights to his designs. TFG/ADG has a license with the designer. That's why there were never any figures for TNG or the other franchises.

Ok, I had been under the impression that it may have had something to do with the cartoon, since the kzinti were in SFB.

They can get around copy right by making Star Travelers mini led by Capt Jon Kurt with his trusty side kick Mr Spook. Also starring Mr Solo, Irish engineer Scott and Communicates specialist Mrs Uriah. I have seen other minis companies do this

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Well, it's a wish-list really, not stuff I actually expect to see made. I am speculating about Star Trek mostly because Star Fleet Battles managed to prouce 'clone' miniatures and such for decades, and even their Away Team role-playing game spin-off, which were never official merchandise (no ST seal of approval and such).

 

Those figures were based on the Star Trek Technical Manual, which, IIRC, was done by the SPFX designer for Star Trek, who retained rights to his designs. TFG/ADG has a license with the designer. That's why there were never any figures for TNG or the other franchises.

Ok, I had been under the impression that it may have had something to do with the cartoon, since the kzinti were in SFB.
They can get around copy right by making Star Travelers mini led by Capt Jon Kurt with his trusty side kick Mr Spook. Also starring Mr Solo, Irish engineer Scott and Communicates specialist Mrs Uriah. I have seen other minis companies do this

True, but tricky. There are companies that have done this.

 

First off, I don't claim to be an expert on trademark, copyright, or what miniatures are made or licensed, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

 

Yes, there are miniatures companies which make thinly disguised licensed characters. I have seen non-Reaper companies offering minis which are clearly meant to be from Scooby-Doo, or Doctor Who, or Firefly, given thinly-disguised names.

 

Reaper artists themselves have done something like this, as this recent thread shows: http://www.reapermini.com/forum/index.php?/topic/48597-is-it-just-me/

 

Some of these efforts, it may be reasonably argued, are harmless pastiches or little in-jokes. Some are rather more blatant.

 

The proper thing is to license the characters from their owners, but this seems to be a tricky thing to do, I'm not sure why. Possibly some trademark owners will not give permission, or charge ruinously high license fees.

 

Some minis companies seem to partly depend on how rigorously the owners of the trademark defend their IP. I do not know that this is wise.

 

It may depend on how visually distinctive a character is. It may be argued that a muscly long-haired man in a loincloth with a knife and a chimpanzee is not distinctive enough to be worth the estate of Edgar Rice Burroughs coming after a maker of toy soldiers. Even a thin man in an ulster overcoat and a deerstalker hat and a meerschaum pipe can be argued to be a type rather than a character.

 

But the Star Trek characters are visually distinctive. The men's uniforms are pretty bland, but the women's are unmistakeable. The Star Fleet icon is, I am pretty sure, trademarked. The characters' faces are pretty distinctive. So is the tech.

 

It would be difficult to argue that minis looking like them were not direct copies.

 

I know, I know, I've seen those Doctor Who minis too. It may be that a small businessperson working out of their basement in a marginal niche industry is less worth a corporation's time and legal team suing unless the corporation is really hardnosed and brutal.

 

But Paramount has deep pockets. Unless they license their own minis, conversion may be your best bet.

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Mmm... where Paramount is concerned, conversion IS your best bet. The best way to describe their approch to dealing with any kind of infringment has eight letters, starts with a D and ends with "head".

 

As I understand it, and mind you, I haven't devoted a whole heck of a lot of time to the issue, large companies that own the copywrites for Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr Who, basically all the recent sci fi that most people ask for on this topic, would charge so much for licensing to make the minis that it makes it an unappealing deal for most mini companies.

 

 

On topic: more girl space marines please!

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When making these kind of miniatures, there are three different IP issues to worry about:

 

Copyright – If you're making a work derivative of a copyrighted work (for instance copying a photo directly), you run afoul of copyright law. "Derivative Work" is a legal term of art that is complex, fact dependent, and subject to the vagaries of the jury system. Talk to a copyright lawyer versed in your local law for more information.

 

Trademark – If you are trading upon someone else's trademark or taking actions that are likely to confuse the customer as to the provenance of your product, you run afoul of trademark law. Again, this is complex, fact dependent, and depends on jury findings. Talk to a trademark lawyer versed in your local law for more information.

 

Right of Publicity – In some jurisdictions, if you sell a product based on a recognizable depiction of a famous person, you may run into this one. In those places, famous people have a special right to control their images. I know little about this one, as it's not one that I've had to deal with. Talk to a lawyer, etc.

 

Note that the lawyers who handle these different rights are not usually the same lawyers, and specialist lawyers do not come cheap.

 

Finally, from my experience in the gaming industry, AFAICT, there are only three franchises that are worth the trouble and expense to license: LotR, Star Wars, and Star Trek. Nothing else has a realistic chance to pay back its license fees and royalties, and even those franchises are difficult. (There's an exception for licenses held by authors that are gamers and willing to accept minimal fees; they're more common in fantasy fiction than elsewhere.)

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"AKAICT"?

 

And I agree with redambrosia: More female space marines, please. There are only two, and one isn't wearing a helmet. Ones shooting would be appreciated. And maybe one as big and bulky as the fellas.

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