Kang Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Instead of beheading healthy minis (OK, the sickly ones can be sacrificed), I've been using split-shot lead fishing weights...the smaller ones. I went to a local Big 5 and bought a smallish bag for about $4 and that let me re-bottle a whole mess o'paint. See I bought a load of BB pellets form the exact same store... but apparently their slowly leaching stuff into my paints.... which is bad.... obviously... do you know if these weights are treated in any way? Thanks, Wes Your copper BB's are discoloring your paints because they are oxidizing, not because they have or haven't been treated with something. I have definitely read about this happening to others before on a few different miniatures-related sites (too bad you didn't post to ask about it before using them - someone here would have warned you I'm pretty sure). Note, if you keep those in your paints that haven't had a problem show up yet, it's probably only a matter of time and/or stirring before it becomes obvious in the rest of the paints you put them in. I'd remove the copper BB's ASAP if I were you. IIRC lead doesn't cause this problem (but hopefully someone else can confirm - if I'm mistaken, I don't want to take all the blame for any paint-ruining disasters!), so the fishing weights should be OK. Pewter is also obviously OK or they wouldn't use those skulls. Not sure about other metals; probably best to stay away from them if you're not sure. Good luck, Kang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Bedlam Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 While it is true that I like the sprue with the different kinds of skull, I'd cheerfully buy a sprue with nothing but identical human skulls. You can never have too many of those. I buy a box of GW Warhammer plastic skeletons every few years just for the bones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastman Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 ... I'd remove the copper BB's ASAP if I were you. IIRC lead doesn't cause this problem (but hopefully someone else can confirm - if I'm mistaken, I don't want to take all the blame for any paint-ruining disasters!), so the fishing weights should be OK. Pewter is also obviously OK or they wouldn't use those skulls. Not sure about other metals; probably best to stay away from them if you're not sure. Good luck, Kang Copper, brass etc will not play nice in acrylic paint bottles. Then again, stainless steel (or at least many of the common stainless alloys) won't either. They will corrode in acrylic paint. And acrylic airbrush medium will severely pit a stainless steel ball in a month or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murakumo Posted June 18, 2009 Author Share Posted June 18, 2009 ... I'd remove the copper BB's ASAP if I were you. IIRC lead doesn't cause this problem (but hopefully someone else can confirm - if I'm mistaken, I don't want to take all the blame for any paint-ruining disasters!), so the fishing weights should be OK. Pewter is also obviously OK or they wouldn't use those skulls. Not sure about other metals; probably best to stay away from them if you're not sure. Good luck, Kang Copper, brass etc will not play nice in acrylic paint bottles. Then again, stainless steel (or at least many of the common stainless alloys) won't either. They will corrode in acrylic paint. And acrylic airbrush medium will severely pit a stainless steel ball in a month or 2. Hmm well thanks to my own stupidity Reaper made a large sale of empty dipper bottles.... been meaning to buy some anyways since I don't like the off brand ones another site sold me but I wasn;t planning on redoing my whole paint set >.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flit Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 If your whole paint set has BBs then you will be redoing it sooner or later. I had a BB incedent a few years back myself- and I thought I had stainless steel BBs. You gotta either get the BBs out sooner rather than later or replace the paint. I was able to save to save my original bottles as the BBs and staining were very localized in the bottles. I was able to pour the paint into a spare bottle, scrub out the bottle, then pour the paint back into the original bottle, and wash out the spare bottle for reuse- then repeat. Very time consuming. I finally gave up and just poured the paint into new bottles with clear glass beads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kormydigar Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 One problem with the lead fishing weights- NOT FOR BRUSHLICKERS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Lead Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 I totally agree on the lead... Anything that can oxidize in the presence of H20 usually will. Lead, copper, steel (stainless or otherwise) will all eventually break down unless coated in a non-water permeable covering, like plastic. Now lead can form a patina when exposed to air and protect the underlying metal from further oxidation (sort of like aluminum does), but when exposed constantly to liquid I don't see it lasting. Lead is just a bad idea, because if it does react, you'll get lead in your paint water, paints, and potentially lick/expose yourself to it. Now it's a minute amount, but even a little will build up over time. I assume Reaper paints have been formulated not to react with their particular pewter mixture. Can't say I've had the same experience with other paints. Pewter bits I added to Vallejo paints oxidized and made little black "sand" for lack of a better term... Before I switched to MSPs, I used to use Hematite beads. It didn't seem to "rust" as it's already an oxidized form of Iron. You can get cheap necklaces of it: http://beadaholique.amazonwebstore.com/Hem.../B001DNQHDW.htm You can also use glass beads and marbles. I just liked Hematite for the greater weight for the size. Take care, Laszlo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awong Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 ...I used to use Hematite beads. It didn't seem to "rust" as it's already an oxidized form of Iron. You can get cheap necklaces of it: http://beadaholique.amazonwebstore.com/Hem.../B001DNQHDW.htm You can also use glass beads and marbles. I just liked Hematite for the greater weight for the size. Take care, Laszlo That's a great tip! I didn't know that lead would oxidize in H2O. I'm not a brush licker/paint eatter, so that potential danger never occured to me. I have been pairing up a lead shot with a glass bead (gives a nice satisfying rattle)...now I guess I'll be fishing for fishing sinkers...in about 200 bottles...and replacing with Hematite. Yikes! Now when am I actually going to get to paint . -AW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperbryan Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 Instead of beheading healthy minis (OK, the sickly ones can be sacrificed), I've been using split-shot lead fishing weights...the smaller ones. I went to a local Big 5 and bought a smallish bag for about $4 and that let me re-bottle a whole mess o'paint. See I bought a load of BB pellets form the exact same store... but apparently their slowly leaching stuff into my paints.... which is bad.... obviously... do you know if these weights are treated in any way? Thanks, Wes Your copper BB's are discoloring your paints because they are oxidizing, not because they have or haven't been treated with something. I have definitely read about this happening to others before on a few different miniatures-related sites (too bad you didn't post to ask about it before using them - someone here would have warned you I'm pretty sure). Note, if you keep those in your paints that haven't had a problem show up yet, it's probably only a matter of time and/or stirring before it becomes obvious in the rest of the paints you put them in. I'd remove the copper BB's ASAP if I were you. IIRC lead doesn't cause this problem (but hopefully someone else can confirm - if I'm mistaken, I don't want to take all the blame for any paint-ruining disasters!), so the fishing weights should be OK. Pewter is also obviously OK or they wouldn't use those skulls. Not sure about other metals; probably best to stay away from them if you're not sure. Good luck, Kang We choose to use bits of skull precisely because it doesn't oxidize in the mix, the way a BB would. I am sorry, Murakumo, that you had a bad experience adding a shaker - Cutebutpsycho is correct - I highly recommend using 2mm square bits of sprue from our figures if you cannot get skulls. Tin does and can oxidize, but it has never been an issue in the paint mixture, when we want to oxidize our mix, it takes more than just water, and I have some Pro-Paints from 6 years ago with skulls that are still pristine, so you should do fine with bits o' sprue. Because lead can leach into various liquids, I'm not sure I would advise using lead fishing weights, although if you aren't a brush licker, and aren't going to eat the models after you paint it, it is safe. Lead isn't radioactive, after all, it doesn't hurt you to be next to it. That's an interesting idea though... Uranium Skulls..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Jack Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 That's an interesting idea though... Uranium Skulls..... Y'know, I always wondered if you guys were ever going to do glow-in-the-dark paint... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperbryan Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 That's an interesting idea though... Uranium Skulls..... Y'know, I always wondered if you guys were ever going to do glow-in-the-dark paint... and glow in the dark painters..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Does anyone know why Reaper doesn't sell the agitator skulls separately? I've always wondered. I'd buy some if I could. They sell the droppers, so why not the skulls to go in them for those who want to make their own custom colour mixes? I imagine they'd come in quite handy for basing, conversions, etc. as well. Plus, then whenever some poor fool buys another brand of paint without realizing their mistake, Reaper could still make some cash off them when they realize their new paint has no agitators. Otherwise, that money is going to go to glass/hematite bead sales for Michael's or wherever. They're obviously already casting them to put into the droppers, so what could they possibly have to lose by also selling some of them? Just curious... Kang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferret Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Does anyone know why Reaper doesn't sell the agitator skulls separately? I've always wondered. I'd buy some if I could. They sell the droppers, so why not the skulls to go in them for those who want to make their own custom colour mixes? Kang Actually, the empty master series bottles sold by Reaper have skulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murakumo Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 Yes I can confirm that reaper does have the tiny skulls in with the empty bodies... however I don;t think their as detailed as someone would want for conversions. I'd much rather for a similar price buy the "skull pack" that has several different races skulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kang Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Does anyone know why Reaper doesn't sell the agitator skulls separately? I've always wondered. I'd buy some if I could. They sell the droppers, so why not the skulls to go in them for those who want to make their own custom colour mixes? Kang Actually, the empty master series bottles sold by Reaper have skulls. I hadn't realized that (which should be quite obvious). A guy I know was using some droppers to store custom mixes a while back, but I guess he must have bought them elsewhere as they had no skulls. - Thanks for the info! I still wish they sold them separately as well though - I have added glass beads to most of my Reaper droppers just to double up on the agitation power; seems to work well - I get less tennis elbow from shaking them up ever since, 'cause it takes a bit less time to get it mixed up right. What I mentioned about them being useful for basing etc. still stands too, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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