LOS and walls

[Soulcatcha]

Noticed the other post bout this and dont think Gus realised the problem so thought i would pitch in. In LOS section p21 it says that an exception to std LOS rules is that an attacker may shoot over an equal size wall if he in contact with it. This is ok but it means the archer in question may shoot and not be shot as his enemys LOS will be blocked by the wall unless he 2 is in contact! Of course enemy archers will get def shoots as no LOS required and larger archers may shoot him(and some spells dont require LOS). But if no larger archers and you shoot enemy non archers you are invulnerable until your opponent runs round(or up2) your wall. Surely this not what was intended?

[Qwyksilver]

It says specifically in the Ranged combat section that if you have LOS for an offensive Ranged attack, the defender has LOS for their defensive fire.

 

Shoot Resolution Stage, Section 6:

Defensive Shots: Eligible defending models may perform Defensive Shots against any enemy model that attacked it, regardless of LOS, as long as the enemy model is within the defending model's range.

 

Essentially, think of it as your Ranged models are hiding up tight against the wall. When it's their turn to fire, they pop up, fire off a shot and duck back down. Your opponent is sitting there, waiting for you to poke your head up and takes a shot at the exact same moment.

 

Now on your opponent's turn, you're hiding up tight against the wall, so there is nothing for them to shoot, until you pop back up to take another shot (on your Activation), or you move (on you Activation)

 

 

So, just to let people know, that means if you try to Indirect Shoot someone, they are going to get their shots back at you. It's not totally a freebie.

Edited August 21, 2009 by Qwyksilver

[Soulcatcha]

It says specifically in the Ranged combat section that if you have LOS for an offensive Ranged attack, the defender has LOS for their defensive fire.

thanks Qwyk but that not my point. According to the rule im talking bout if you size1 you can fire over a size1 wall if in contact with it otherwise you cant so your target may def shot if an archer as you say(cause LOS not required) but an enemy archer may not shoot you on his turn as he has no LOS unless he size2+, fires indirect or has spell with no LOS required or goes round or up2 wall. Dont get me wrong am lovin warlord 2 but seems this particular rule bit odd! If just left so you can shoot over smaller walls would be fine as enemy can shoot you back and you get cover bonus, simple.Its the exception that gives you LOS over SAME size wall IF in contact because obviously enemy will not be in contact and therefore have no LOS. Have a look its page 21, bottom of left column stats "there is one exception, however.... Personaly am just gonna ignore this rule, no problem, just thought id mention it!

[Soulcatcha]

ahh oops didnt see all of reply, so its intended that way is it? see what your saying but in that case if you just shoot non archers you wont get shot at all. ok well am glad am playin DS and have size2 archers and indirect shot on my std archers haha and will be using lotsa walls if my opponent has neither!

[Gus Landt]

Yep, you are reading it correctly. If you stay behind a wall, you can shoot and not be shot at (except for defensive fire if you do something silly like shoot at an enemy archer). This is as intended.

 

With all of the flyers & spellcasters available, your opponent has the tools to deal with you hiding behind walls. They just gotta out-play you.