Gus Landt Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 In my perfect world, we'd have boxed set intro armies with a Warlord, a Unique elite, some soldiers, and a Solo. These would be purely for getting a new layer started. It would include the quick start rules and a couple dice, etc. Then, we would also sell 9-packs of troops on a blister card for $40 (like we do soldiers). The 9-pack troops would have a non-Unq leader, 1-2 non-Unq Elites, and 6 soldiers. These would be too fill out an army, and could be purchased 2-3 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanael Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Speaking as someone who doesn't play WL at all right now: I do own the old starter set that came with the rule book and two armies (Crusaders and...Necropolis, I think?). We also have the Razig starter box. I bought the set because my FLGS discounted it, and I like the named figures in it and I guess I can always use some town guards and mooks; we got Razig because we wanted the Dark Maiden, and we liked the other named figs, and I guess I can always use some more skellies. So, my first point is that if it weren't for the relatively high number (two or three in each faction) of "cool" or named figures, we wouldn't have purchased any of those sets. I do the same thing with Privateer Press boxes; I buy them because there are several awesome figures I want to paint, and several other figures that will be useful either in game or in the bits box. Now, I realize that the "non-player" market is a secondary target for any WL sets, but I wanted to weigh in as a representative of that group. As for making me want to play? The Razig set was a great one for that; Dark Maiden alone gives me visions of sailing across a board with a dark tide of destruction in my wake, my enemies fleeing in terror before my bow. The great figures in Baron LeBone and Razig himself do the same. I have no idea what roles any of these figures actually play in their faction, but fielding a Razig army would just make me feel damn cool, even straight out of the box. A smaller set of skellie grunts with LeBone as the only "big" figure just wouldn't interest me. Gus' plan above sounds like something that would attract me to the boxes, both as a potential player and as a RPGer who paints minis. And, of course, the big problem--and the real reason I don't play right now, since I've gone through the first rulebook and liked it muchly--is that there are no other players in my area. Pittsburgh is held firm in the grip of WH40K, sad to say. If I were in an area where it was easy to find other players, I likely would play. Hope some of this is helpful to you guys, or at least mildly interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgtriplec Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Goal - 8-9 models, 425 points, Warlord, elites, solo =/>$45 Crusaders - 411 points 8 models $43.42 Mother Superior Kristianna & Page 7.49 Hospitalier x 4.99 Justicar x 2 x 4.99 Ivy Crown Archer x 2 x 4.99 Saramonde, Chronicler 4.99 Solo - Hound of Judgement 5.99 Darkspawn - 412 points points 8 models $41.92 Witch Queen 5.49 Isiri Archer x 2 x 4.99 Isiri Pain Tender x 4.99 Thuusia, Pain Mage 6.49 Demon Warrior x 2 x 4.99 Solo - Audine 4.99 Dwarves - 420 points 7 models $44.92 Herryk Aesir, High Cleric 6.99 Ivar Silverfist 7.99 Kneebreaker x 2 x 4.99 Shieldmaiden x 2 x 4.99 Piercer 4.99 Solo - Snorri 4.99 Elves - 416 points 8 models $40.42 Larnach the Grey 4.99 Caerwynn 4.99 Vale Archer x 5.49 Death Seeker x 2 x 4.99 Royal Guardsman x 2 x 4.99 Solo - Baeldrinarh 4.99(?) Mercs - 429 points 8 models $38.92 Boris Mingla 5.99 Olivia P-65 2.99 Gars Necka 4.99 Okuran x 2 x 4.99 Blackreef Pirate x 2 x 4.99 Solo - Dendris 4.99 Necropolis - 415 points 8 models Moandain, Arch-Lich 4.99 Ghast x 2 x4.99 Burrowing Zombies x 2 x 4.99 Skeletal Archer x 2 x 4.99 Solo- Aysa 4.99 Necropolis - 433 points 8 models $44.92 Elsabeth Briarkiss 5.99 Naomi, Mistress of Wings 4.99 Crimson Knight x 2 x 5.49 Skeletal Archer x 2 x 4.99 Crypt Bat x 7.99 Solo - Kaena - 4.99 Nefsokar - 504 points 8 models $44.93 Khufu 4.99 Netikerti 4.99 Daughter of Sekhmet x 2 x 4.99 Tomb Guard 5.49 Khamsin Ranger x 2 x 4.99 Solo- Dust Devil 8.48 Overlords - 410 points 8 models $42.92 Marquise Zora d'Arengo 4.99 Moraia, Warbride 4.99 Shadow Legionnaire 5.99 Overlord Crossbowman 4.99 Daughter of the Whip 2 x 4.99 Kevis, Vizier 4.99 Solo- Mageguard golem 6.99 Reptus - 413 points 7 models $45.99 Khong-To 9.99 Ssudai, Nagendra Mystic 4,99 Reptus Skulbreaker x 2 x 4.99 Clutchling Archer X 2 x 4.99 Solo - Crymorian Warrior 9.99 Reven - 389 points 7 models $44.93 Troop 1 Kiakara, Queen of Khans, Bull Orc 4.99 Skralla the Black, Goblin 4.99 Ogre Warrior 8.99 Bull Orc Berserker x 2 x 6.99 Gnoll Archer P-65/6.99 Solo -Greka, Shaman 4.99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakandara Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 And that is how I wanted my lists to be... and it could be done, except the Crusaders and Reptus do not have a standard base solo, which would make their boxes $10 more. Maybe Outrider could be given to just those two in an errata. I'm sure Gus loves the idea of adding errata for something like this; rather than change the rules just to fit these sets, it seems that it would be better to include a small cavalry or large based model instead (even if the goal is a standard size base for the rest of the factions). The Hound of Judgement and a Crymorian Warrior (or Klahan, who is $1 more) would be good candidates for this. ~v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becky Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 So as a brand new player who doesn't yet have a book and knows nothing about the game but has people ready to play with her as soon as I figure out what to get... What if instead of a box set you could get some kind of online special of buy the book, an army pack and an individual figure for ______ discount. Even if the discount only saves you a buck, what would be helpful about something like that is that it would clue me into "Oh I can just buy this and have enough to get started, plus I have the freedom to pick out the cool looking stuff I want." And then when we figure out our army of stompy trees was maybe not the best way to go, once we have an understanding of how the game works we can go from there. ...I'm still going with the stompy trees through. And I think I will proxy some of the individual elf figures with the charity animal figs that are coming out. Now all I have to do is paint them in monochromatic shades of pink and purple and I will have the most terrifying army evar! \m/ (I'm only kidding about the colors.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vil-hatarn Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 So as a brand new player who doesn't yet have a book and knows nothing about the game but has people ready to play with her as soon as I figure out what to get... What if instead of a box set you could get some kind of online special of buy the book, an army pack and an individual figure for ______ discount. Even if the discount only saves you a buck, what would be helpful about something like that is that it would clue me into "Oh I can just buy this and have enough to get started, plus I have the freedom to pick out the cool looking stuff I want." And then when we figure out our army of stompy trees was maybe not the best way to go, once we have an understanding of how the game works we can go from there. ...I'm still going with the stompy trees through. And I think I will proxy some of the individual elf figures with the charity animal figs that are coming out. Now all I have to do is paint them in monochromatic shades of pink and purple and I will have the most terrifying army evar! \m/ (I'm only kidding about the colors.) You do have a good point here. While Reaper may not want to put the resources into producing a box set, there's no reason they couldn't have an "all-in-one" starter option in the online store, along the lines of the lists above, just for convenience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgtriplec Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I'm sure Gus loves the idea of adding errata for something like this; rather than change the rules just to fit these sets, it seems that it would be better to include a small cavalry or large based model instead (even if the goal is a standard size base for the rest of the factions). The Hound of Judgement and a Crymorian Warrior (or Klahan, who is $1 more) would be good candidates for this. ~v The standard base wasn't really a goal, trying to get 8 models for around $40 and 400 pnts was, so that pretty much knocked 95% of all the other bases out due to cost/price. I thought the Hound said 15.99 when I checked it, but it was 5.99. I had looked at the Reptus guys already but they were all $10+ and it was already the most expensive list. I dropped one of their soldiers to pay for the solo. I guess being a gamer, errata doesn't bother me, because it is endemic to most games. Maybe I'm too accustomed to it What if instead of a box set you could get some kind of online special of buy the book, an army pack and an individual figure for ______ discount. Even if the discount only saves you a buck, what would be helpful about something like that is that it would clue me into "Oh I can just buy this and have enough to get started, plus I have the freedom to pick out the cool looking stuff I want." The only problem with your idea is that it would be very hard to build a balanced force with just a Warlord (the only models that can generally take an entire army pack of soldiers) and an army pack. To be successful most players really need a little bit of everything: magic, melee, range, speed. I myself would field a warlord and nine melee brutes, but I'm not like most players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harbinger Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 So as a brand new player who doesn't yet have a book and knows nothing about the game but has people ready to play with her as soon as I figure out what to get... What if instead of a box set you could get some kind of online special of buy the book, an army pack and an individual figure for ______ discount. Even if the discount only saves you a buck, what would be helpful about something like that is that it would clue me into "Oh I can just buy this and have enough to get started, plus I have the freedom to pick out the cool looking stuff I want." And then when we figure out our army of stompy trees was maybe not the best way to go, once we have an understanding of how the game works we can go from there. ...I'm still going with the stompy trees through. And I think I will proxy some of the individual elf figures with the charity animal figs that are coming out. Now all I have to do is paint them in monochromatic shades of pink and purple and I will have the most terrifying army evar! \m/ (I'm only kidding about the colors.) You do have a good point here. While Reaper may not want to put the resources into producing a box set, there's no reason they couldn't have an "all-in-one" starter option in the online store, along the lines of the lists above, just for convenience. Not a bad idea at all, but dont discount the power of impulse sales. I personally have caught myself buying minis at a brick and mortar knowing fully I could got them cheaper from online orders. I saw minis I liked and was worth more to me to grab them then and there then wait for shipping or potentially not get around to getting them as kept putting off ordering just to save a dollar or two. I can also remember a time went to a MTG card game tourney with some friends (didnt play just went to hang) and we stopped at a game store that was much bigger then was in our home town. At the time I was planning to collect a skaven army for warhammer. I saw a boxed set for woodelves which at time had not put any thought into collecting. Somehow that woodelf box set jumped from the shelf and into my shopping bag... I ended up with a huge woodelf army instead skaven since after buying that box set, I wasnt going toss my money away. morale... impulse buys work ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty kahn Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I'm all for rgtriplec's idea to be packaged, shipped and sold. It seems that every one of them works pretty well. I think having an actual Warlord figure in each box is essential. I can hear the people at mt LGS now, saying "its called Warlord, but I dont get a Warlord in the box....lame". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vutpakdi Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I think having an actual Warlord figure in each box is essential. I can hear the people at mt LGS now, saying "its called Warlord, but I dont get a Warlord in the box....lame". Do people say: "its called Warhammer, but I don't get a Warhammer in the box... lame"? Sure, it would be good to have one in the box, but really, "essential"? Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinden Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I think having an actual Warlord figure in each box is essential. I can hear the people at mt LGS now, saying "its called Warlord, but I dont get a Warlord in the box....lame". Do people say: "its called Warhammer, but I don't get a Warhammer in the box... lame"? Sure, it would be good to have one in the box, but really, "essential"? Ron I don't think it is, and for such a small game a warlord wouldn't be the best option since the average cost in points is so high. Its just a starter set. If it was a complete 1000 point army then i think have a warlord in every box would be good but for the small boxes its not needed. -Sin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vil-hatarn Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I could definitely see either going with a cheap warlord or an expensive captain depending on the faction... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgtriplec Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I think having an actual Warlord figure in each box is essential. I can hear the people at mt LGS now, saying "its called Warlord, but I dont get a Warlord in the box....lame". Do people say: "its called Warhammer, but I don't get a Warhammer in the box... lame"? Sure, it would be good to have one in the box, but really, "essential"? Ron Are there a models called Warhammers? That's the difference. Having a Warlord is good marketing. Some people will think it lame, especially those that flip through the book and view the data cards. Its hard to miss the Warlords because they are first in every faction. I don't think it is, and for such a small game a warlord wouldn't be the best option since the average cost in points is so high. Its just a starter set. If it was a complete 1000 point army then i think have a warlord in every box would be good but for the small boxes its not needed. -Sin Who wants to start a new game with a handful of grunts and non-unique sergeant or captain? Nobody. New players would rather have Ashkrypt, the Witch Queen, King Thorgram or Duke Gerard... they want a star. You never have a second chance to make a first impression. The boxed set is an introduction, Reaper needs to put its best foot forward, which is a Warlord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinden Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 A new player isn't going to know the difference. All there going to see is soldiers and a leader. If you go talk to someone who has never played or seen the game and say this guy has 10 attacks at RAV 25 and can cast firestorm free once per turn as a free action, there going to ask you if that's good. You throw in a Sergeant with a few grunts and they will like the game, then when they get into they will see the new more powerful units and get even more excited. Its just like in the business world when making a portfolio, you never put your best piece first. Plus if you put a warlord in no one will want to buy more than one, but fairly often people will field more than once of the same sergeant so if you have him as the leader even experienced players might buy them. And as far as putting them in a list, a 150-200 point warlord wouldn't work well in a 400 point test list. -Sin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgtriplec Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 People who browse in their FLGS know all the books to any game they are interested in pretty well. They sit around and read them as they BS. Many people just read game manuals, I read a post the other day where someone had like 400. Additionally, most owners are familiar enough with their products to help buyers. Reaper also has a web site full of information. Also, a large percentage of Warlord players have found the game through D&D, and a lot of D&D players will have basic knowledge. Many people will have seen the game played, played it, been demoed, been to ReaperCon, GenCon or Origins... before they ever dump $45 bucks in a game. So, saying a new player won't know isn't really true. Make some 400 point lists for $45 using non-unique sergeants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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