Stubbdog Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 As I noted a few posts up in this thread (post #32), the idea of improving a list can only really be determined based on what list your list will be facing. So, its not simply a situation where I can say, swap this for that and you will have more success. Having said that, I do agree with your assessment that with your entire list being large and giant based models, you will have a harder time when you face an enemy horde type lists or lists with decent amounts of stunning type magic. In terms of integrating humans into the list, the easiest option is to simply replace a frost giant, whether it be one of the soldiers, or the princess. Personally, what I like to try and do is to have 1-2 standard based models for every large based model I have in my list. But, again its not always as cut and dry as that. The main thing is to look at their synergies. For example, trading in a warrior for 5 axemen would allow you to have a cheap 14 inch attack ranged model that could be used to get quick hits on an enemy flank or run around the first line to hit something juicy behind it. Plus it would be 10 DTs the enemy would have to account for instead of just 4. But, on the downside, they are cheap and therefore wont survive as long, especially if you run them across the table all by themselves. But, if you need the quick hit, they can be affective. Another option would be to try and make a play off of the giants with SA Reach. This would require a bit more transformation of your list tho. Something like: Icingstead - 996 points Troop 1 Boerogg Blackrime, Frostreaver Frost Giant Spearman x 3 Barbarian Berserker x 4 Troop 2 Dorog Frostclaw, Yeti Chieftain Oga Snowpelt, Yeti Shaman Familiar Yeti Warrior x 2 Ice Toad Troop 3 Frost Wyrm Troop 4 Luck Stone So, you would be dropping the Princess and two sword warriors for more giant spearmen along with a few other changes. The concept of this list would be that you can have your 4 giants swing over the top of the 4 barbarians. If you used axemen, it would not work as well since the axemen's strength is to use their rush attack to both move fast and limit the opponent's defensive swings. They would be running away from the spearmen and you would lose their synergy purpose. Meanwhile, the berzerkers strength is in their number of swings. And since they wont be outrunning the giant spearmen, they make a better pairing. I tossed on a familiar for the shaman and had enough points left over to add a toad. But, obvisouly several other options could happen here instead. You could go for a book of tactics to help with intiative. You could go for more humans. Etc.. I added the familiar to the list to allow your shaman to sit back and focus to maxmize his spell casting potential as well as the familiar's ability to regenerate spell points, thus letting the shaman cast more spells. I put in the toad, cause, well, I just love the toad. Anytime you can stun your opponent where they cannot defend themselves or come attack you, helps you control the battlefield and I like controlling the battlefield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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