wildbill Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I doubt that any of his builds would come close to being unstoppable. Wow. Harsh. But a very polite way to say Dwarves suck Because they consume too much "Frosty Brew"... Escuze me occifer **hiccup** but I resemble **hiccup** that remark! *hiccup* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakhak Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I doubt that any of his builds would come close to being unstoppable. Wow. Harsh. But a very polite way to say Dwarves suck Aw man. I tried to write so that I would just sound awesome. Maybe next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakhak Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Gruesome Weapon: both Demoralize and Vicious are melee special abilities, and do not apply to ranged attacks. Read them again. Using your own argument, since neither specifically say Melee, they can be used in ranged combat. The limitation is that it's typically only given to models in the Melee SAs section. As is, if the logic for the Hammer stands Gruesome weapon becomes effective a ranged weapon. Demoralize - the end of any Activation in which a model with this SA kills an enemy model, all other enemy models in B2B with this model must pass a Discipline Check or become Shaken. Vicious - Whenever a model with this SA damages another model, the damaged model must pass a Discipline Check or become Shaken. Only one Discipline Check is needed per Activation, regardless of the number of points of damage or the number of Vicious models attacking. SE is saying that they are Melee only SA, because they are listed as such. I don't have the book in front of my so I can't confirm, but next to every SA there are parentheses that say what the ability can apply to. I think Demoralize and Vicious are currently listed with (Melee), which means they also can't be used on a ranged attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritual_exorcist Posted September 9, 2010 Author Share Posted September 9, 2010 Just realised that my previous posts had an army example that wasn't legal (Fulumbar can only use 1 Elite), so I'll start with a new version to correct myself: Dwarves - 1000 points Troop 1 Freya Fangbreaker Klaus Copperthumb +Hammer of the Mountain God Gilam, Rune Spelunker Warrior x 2 Swiftaxe x 4 Mancatcher x 2 Troop 2 Freya Fangbreaker Kara Foehunter +Hammer of the Mountain God Margara Firetongue Warrior x 2 Swiftaxe x 3 Mancatcher x 2 Troop 3 Snorri Oathbreaker +Mithril Armor +Hammer of the Mountain God +Luck Stone RE: Demoralize and Viscious, Shakhak addressed this. They are both melee only SAs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Landt Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 next to every SA there are parentheses that say what the ability can apply to. Demoralize and Vicious are currently listed with (Melee), which means they also can't be used on a ranged attack. Correct As to the hammer discussion, I have seen a TON of things used in tournaments that were not used the way I originally designed them to be used. As long as they don't break the written rules, I am happy to see all the creative things people can do! I have seen awesome combos pulled off with Barrage on Xeldorian, or double Mirror Image on a Barraged Caerwyn, or the multitude of nastiness from Cross Death's River. Very enjoyable to see people get so into the game that they find creative ways to use the rules I never anticipated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawgiver Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 next to every SA there are parentheses that say what the ability can apply to. Demoralize and Vicious are currently listed with (Melee), which means they also can't be used on a ranged attack. Correct As to the hammer discussion, I have seen a TON of things used in tournaments that were not used the way I originally designed them to be used. As long as they don't break the written rules, I am happy to see all the creative things people can do! I have seen awesome combos pulled off with Barrage on Xeldorian, or double Mirror Image on a Barraged Caerwyn, or the multitude of nastiness from Cross Death's River. Very enjoyable to see people get so into the game that they find creative ways to use the rules I never anticipated! Excellent. GAME ON! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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