Azazel Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Greetings fellas! If an archer model with the Indirect shot SA fires at an enemy archer without the SA, will the enemy archer still get defensive shots? (Going by the idea, that if you can be shot at, you can shoot back, just not in your own activation.) Thx in advance. - Azazel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outek Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Yes, the defending archer gets defensive shots. From the rulebook: "...may perform Defensive Shots...regardless of LOS..." page 32, #6 in Warlord 2nd edition rulebook [page 20 in Savage North]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbdog Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 This is true, but having said that, the defensive shooter's shot would be affected by cover back to the original shooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazel Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 This is true, but having said that, the defensive shooter's shot would be affected by cover back to the original shooter. Is the target of the defensive shots always considered to be in cover? Example: B = Building 1 = Target for defensive shot 2 = Target for defensive shot Is both #1 and #2 considered to be in cover and giving the defensive shooter(D) -2 to RAV? ............................................... ............................................... ............................................... ...........BBBBBBBBBBB.......... ...........BBBBBBBBBBB.......... ...2.....1BBBBBBBBBBB.......... ...........BBBBBBBBBBB.....D.... ...........BBBBBBBBBBB.......... ............................................... ............................................... ............................................... - Azazel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbdog Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 That is correct. The offensive shooter has the Indirect shot SA and therefore gets to ignore the cover. The defensive shooter by ruling does get to shoot back even though he does not have indirect shot, but he would not ignore the cover that the intervening terrain provides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazel Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 That is correct. The offensive shooter has the Indirect shot SA and therefore gets to ignore the cover. The defensive shooter by ruling does get to shoot back even though he does not have indirect shot, but he would not ignore the cover that the intervening terrain provides. Does the rule about -2 for cover also hold true in the case where the offensive shooter is standing in b2b with a size 1 wall, while the defensive shots are fired? (The LOS issue where you can shoot over a wall the same size as the model when in B2B, but cant be shot at in your opponants activation.? Thx alot for clarifying. Shooting, Defensive shots and LOS are re-occuring subjects of discussion with my gaming group. - Azazel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbdog Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 This is also true. You are talking about the pop up shot where a shooter pops up from behind a wall to shoot an enemy before ducking back down. In this case that enemy is a shooter also. They would get the defensive shot, but since the offensive shooter is partially behind the wall still, he indeed gains the cover bonus against the return fire. I understand the questions. As one of the designers, I can say it was extremely difficult to come up with a simple concise set of rules that were equally clear, easy to understand, and also work for every single situation possible. I am sure that there will always be one more situation than we were able to account for with our particular wording. So, in the end, we can only try our best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyberwolfe1 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 This is also true. You are talking about the pop up shot where a shooter pops up from behind a wall to shoot an enemy before ducking back down. In this case that enemy is a shooter also. They would get the defensive shot, but since the offensive shooter is partially behind the wall still, he indeed gains the cover bonus against the return fire. I understand the questions. As one of the designers, I can say it was extremely difficult to come up with a simple concise set of rules that were equally clear, easy to understand, and also work for every single situation possible. I am sure that there will always be one more situation than we were able to account for with our particular wording. So, in the end, we can only try our best. Having helped with the editing of the rules the rules weren't designed to answer every situation, but to help players find the answer. This is why the final cut was reorganized. As this thread showed Outek opened the rulebook and answered the question. Is the situation counterintuitive? Sure. But the rulebook answered the question which is a sign of a good rulebook. As a note defensive fire needs a FAQ update detailing that an indirect shooter will get the cover penalty when returning fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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