psyberwolfe1 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 So after yesterday's lively discussion about LOS I began wondering how cover and indirect shot work together. Strictly speaking if the model being shot at is 2" from terrain then they should get cover. I'm inclined to think this is the case but it might not be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakandara Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Indirect Shot only removes the LOS requirement. Cover would still apply. ~v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyberwolfe1 Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 And if they were outside of 2" of terrain would cover apply? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakandara Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Nope. You still resolve Cover per the Cover rules. ~v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyberwolfe1 Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 Ok now you're going to think I'm arguing for the sake of it but I'm really trying to understand. Please be patient with me. The cover rules don't have a way to deal with a blocked shot which indirect fire ignores. The problem I'm looking at is either the shot either always gets cover which makes the SA nigh on close to worthless or the shot only gets cover if a model is within two inches. I feel that by what is written the later is the case and not the former. But that is because the cover rule and the indirect fire sa both don't discuss this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakandara Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 or the shot only gets cover if a model is within two inches. I feel that by what is written the later is the case and not the former. But that is because the cover rule and the indirect fire sa both don't discuss this issue. This is correct. Indirect Shot doesn't address it, because it has nothing to do with it. The SA negates the need for LOS. Now that we've resolved LOS (and abided by the minor restrictions of Indirect Shot that the target must be within Normal range), and we've spent our extra action to gain the ability to target something we can't normally see, we move on to resolving Cover. Cover states that the enemy must be behind and within 2" of the Cover to gain the benefit. Well, since we are using Indirect Shot, the first part of that will always be true (or we wouldn't need the SA). So, all that remains is whether or not they are within 2". If they are, they get cover, and you take a -2 to your shot. If they aren't, you shoot as normal. Easy-peasy. ~v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyberwolfe1 Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 Last one. Let's say we're shooting at someone who is not within 2" of the blocking terrain but 2" of a terrain piece to the left, right, or behind the model. Can the cover bonus be claimed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakandara Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Nope, because they aren't behind the piece of terrain that they are within 2" of. ~v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadeye_Jake Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Sorry to muddy the waters... and this may have been covered elsewhere, but..... If you are Indirect Shot-ing another archer unit, do their return shots automatically suffer cover penalties since they can't see you? Or do you have to be within 2" of something to claim the bonus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyberwolfe1 Posted March 25, 2011 Author Share Posted March 25, 2011 As I understand they do suffer the cover penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwyksilver Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) Step one: Determine LOS Automatically determined because of Defensive Fire rules. Step two: Determine existance of Cover Is there intervening cover between the model performing Defensive Fire and the original Attacker? Most likely otherwise why would Indirect Shot would be used. Step three: Is the Original Attacking model utilizing cover (within 2 inches) If yes: -2 penalty If no: No penalty Step 4: Resolve your attack roll with appropriate situational modifiers. It is not automatic. But more often than not there is probably going to be Cover involved. Edited March 25, 2011 by Qwyksilver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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