Kickstarter Discussion Thread

[Frankthedm]

No, I know it's there...but gaining the privilege to spend a little less than retail to buy something extra doesn't really say 'bonus given to loyal contributors' to me.

It sounded like the $20-$30 retail price tag was in reference to the Deathsleet / Ebonwrath scale dragons. The dracolich looks a good bit larger than those.

[Sometimes GM]

I like the dungeon dressing... but I'm not "in love" with it yet. For that, there'd have to be more. I'd like to see the pieces that they revealed as additions to the Vampire and Undertaker levels supplemented with more pieces as an optional.

[buglips*the*goblin]

Now I want to see a cybermonkeyclockworkdracolich.

 

With lasers.

 

Hey, now your cybergrapeape can ride in the chest cavity of THIS dracolich

 

 

* perks up *

 

yessss . . . YESSSSSSS . . .

 

That shall be his second form, for when he returns from the dead!

 

Ooh, now I got tingles.

[Qwyksilver]

Nethyrmaul....

 

Ware the dragon that mauls your nether regions!

[buglips*the*goblin]

Nethyrmaul....

 

Ware the dragon that mauls your nether regions!

 

 

Rules Lawyer: "Um, I don't think you can use that as a valid monster. I can't find his type listed in the Draconomicon."

 

Reply: "Look under A, for Arsrypper."

[Galahad@Heresy-Online]

No, I know it's there...but gaining the privilege to spend a little less than retail to buy something extra doesn't really say 'bonus given to loyal contributors' to me.

It sounded like the $20-$30 retail price tag was in reference to the Deathsleet / Ebonwrath scale dragons. The dracolich looks a good bit larger than those.

 

I would be surprised if it went for more than $50 retail, more likely $35-$45. Of course, for all I know they could charge more but still, it's a discount, it's nice...but it doesn't really feel like a reward. Not to sound like a mercenary bastard or anything, but this is where they're making their money. Buying it is doing them a favor (which, fo course they deserve. We want to support them after all), that;s not a reward. A reward is them doing us a favor, like giving us something besides tables and chairs for getting over a million bucks worth of backing.

 

But that's me. I like to gripe. The dragon is cool, I may even get one but as far as the *actual* reard goes, I was underwhelmed.

 

The chronoscope pack was awesome, the pathfinder iconics was awesome...Dungeon IKEA, not awesome.

 

Useful? Sure

Cool? Maybe. I'll admit, I have a bit of a fascination with set pieces. I still have my old plastic and cardboard heroquest chests and thrones and whatnot.

But impressive? No. I would have expected them as an earlier bonus

 

Like I said, I'm not going to complain about more free minis but you have to admit, you were expecting something really cool at the 'over a million' milestone, right? I mean, looking at that treasure pile this whole time, wondering what it coudl be...did anyone guess 'tables and chairs?'

[Heisler]

Actually I wasn't expecting anything spectacular for the 1 million mark. Its just a way point on the road to the end of the KS. Its been successful, and enough people have been clamoring for just this sort of thing that it makes them happy. If it finally makes it worth it to some people to finally pledge that's a plus, if the massive undead dragon does the same then I'm happy with the way things are going.

[buglips*the*goblin]

Bryan did warn us about the perils of speculation.

 

There's a pile of bones, there's a dracolich.

 

There's a treasure box, there's a treasure box.

 

Maybe not exactly what I was anticipating, but not really misleading either.

 

 

* key to remember is that the whole point here is to expand the line quickly, and that means diversity. Not everything in the package rocks my world, but I'm cool with that because this is a massive expansion that will lead to further expansion. As the first bit of dungeon dressing added in, it's not a terrible start.

[evhorne969]

To whoever said "Uh, look at the map, the big prize is obviously the treasure pile!" I give you...a chair, a candle rack, a small treasure chest, a slab and a tomb.

 

woo...yay...meh

 

You forgot the dracolich.

 

DM: Oh, I'm sorry about that Galahad. When you stopped in the treasure room to scoff at the furnishings, your party was so distracted by your whining that no one noticed the DRACOLICH hiding behind the candelabra!! With one swipe of his mighty claw, the DRACOLICH has torn you in half and devoured the rest of your party in one swift *GULP*!! As your lights dim and your consciousness slowly ebbs away you believe you can hear the sweet, melodic strains of a very tiny violin, playing in the distance...

[Sanael]

LOVE the dungeon decor. LOVELOVE the dracolich. Not unhappy about anything in this KS.

 

Question, didn't see it anywhere in the KS comment thread: is the sarcophagus in bones going to be two pieces (lid and base) as it is in the metal version, or will it be molded as one solid piece?

[buglips*the*goblin]

Deep breaths and calm thoughts, Reaperinos. I think Galahad sees the alternative point of view.

[Reaperbryan]

Bryan did warn us about the perils of speculation.

 

So, Girlbreath-the-speculator got his hopes up for something, and Reaper failed to read his mind, but instead followed their business plan. Hm, sounds like exactly this -

 

 

 

We won't forbid speculation, but be aware that we have a plan mapped out, and speculation can be disheartnening if you get too excited about something that's not on our plan.

 

I can;t be sad for anybody that they're getting more bonus loots added to the pile.

 

FIRST: Wyrm, stop hassling the man, he has a right to his opinion.

 

No, I know it's there...but gaining the privilege to spend a little less than retail to buy something extra doesn't really say 'bonus given to loyal contributors' to me.

It sounded like the $20-$30 retail price tag was in reference to the Deathsleet / Ebonwrath scale dragons. The dracolich looks a good bit larger than those.

 

I would be surprised if it went for more than $50 retail, more likely $35-$45. Of course, for all I know they could charge more but still, it's a discount, it's nice...but it doesn't really feel like a reward. Not to sound like a mercenary bastard or anything, but this is where they're making their money. Buying it is doing them a favor (which, fo course they deserve. We want to support them after all), that;s not a reward. A reward is them doing us a favor, like giving us something besides tables and chairs for getting over a million bucks worth of backing.

 

But that's me. I like to gripe. The dragon is cool, I may even get one but as far as the *actual* reard goes, I was underwhelmed.

 

Hey, I like gripe too. Read my FB some day,I am one complaining SOB.

 

Still, I'm going to have reiterate that we cannot please 100% of our backers at every level. Even on day one not everybody liked the initial 30 figures, and for the last month I've had to read through people complaining about this model of 4 or that model of 6 etc. We're trying to appeal to a zillion gamers, and no two gamers have ever liked the same exact thing. Ever.

 

I respect your right to not like them. I ask that you please respect our efforts in trying to create a product line that has enough variety to offer one or more figures that please every person, if not all figures pleasing every person.

[psyberwolfe1]

DM: Oh, I'm sorry about that Galahad. When you stopped in the treasure room to scoff at the furnishings, your party was so distracted by your whining that no one noticed the DRACOLICH hiding behind the candelabra!! With one swipe of his mighty claw, the DRACOLICH has torn you in half and devoured the rest of your party in one swift *GULP*!! As your lights dim and your consciousness slowly ebbs away you believe you can hear the sweet, melodic strains of a very tiny violin, playing in the distance...

 

Gene that reminded me about a D&D adventure I played in ages ago. We the players were just being far to chatty that session to get anywhere and after some frustration the DM said, "You chatty b****** are being attacked by owlbears." And he proceeded to maul the party.

[haldir]

Great Post, Bryan!!!

[Reaperbryan]

Really, I feel we have done our job if every non-backer can find ONE Bones mini they would buy after the KS is over. I *hope* that we have already included enough good value that all Backers are already happy.

 

I will be very happy when this ends and I can sleep without the ticker next to my pillow set to wake me 25% toward goal so i can be awake in time to post updates.

 

But then, I'm selfish and like my sleep.