Kickstarter Discussion Thread

[Galahad@Heresy-Online]

"easily broken" seems to be the universal definition of fragile.

 

I can;t even tell you how many times I've had metal bits outright snap off, not just at the glue point but from the metal itself. Bent swords don;t always bend back. Even if it does just break at the glue point that;s still breakage that usually requires scraping off the old glue, reattaching the limb and repainting the join

 

Here's a good test of fragility: Would you drop it from 3 feet onto a concrete floor?

If no: Fragile

If yes: Not fragile

 

I would gladly spike a bones mini hard enough to catch it on the rebound knowing that it would be in exactly the same condition as when it left my hand.

 

I can't imagine what a metal frostwyrm would look like it it slid off the table and hit a hard floor...little sickle limbs everywhere!

 

If that's too drastic, try this one:

"Would you carry a couple of them loose in a pocket or otherwise unsecured container?"

 

I still wouldn't do that with a metal mini or even a GW plastic one.

[Corporea]

someone may already have asked this, but... I have pledged for several vampire levels. does each one come with a mister bones, or do you just get 1 per pledge. I f so, I will order extras. thanks!

[Galahad@Heresy-Online]

I'm given to understand it;s 1 per pledge

[thunderspirit]

"easily broken" seems to be the universal definition of fragile.

"Frah-gee-ley...must be Italian!"

[showersr]

A bit confused on the $25 figure case. Two different pictures of it on the facebook rewards photos. The combo picture with the paints shows 5x5 inserts and the case stand alone picture shows 3x5 inserts.

[paintminion]

I never had any questions, but just wanted to publicly say thanks for all the loot I will be getting from my pledge! Then a frown and raised eyebrow at the amount I must paint. But most of all, to say those were awesome videos Kit created for the Kickstarter. Best "hands" in the business!

[Heisler]

A bit confused on the $25 figure case. Two different pictures of it on the facebook rewards photos. The combo picture with the paints shows 5x5 inserts and the case stand alone picture shows 3x5 inserts.

From the details that have been given it will be six of the 5x5 inserts with the ability to purchase other inserts in March. I believe the 3x5 is simply a picture that wasn't updated from when they were experimenting with the the inserts. A 3x5 size may be an option that could be purchased.

[thatguywiththeface]

"easily broken" seems to be the universal definition of fragile.

 

I can;t even tell you how many times I've had metal bits outright snap off, not just at the glue point but from the metal itself. Bent swords don;t always bend back. Even if it does just break at the glue point that;s still breakage that usually requires scraping off the old glue, reattaching the limb and repainting the join

 

Here's a good test of fragility: Would you drop it from 3 feet onto a concrete floor?

If no: Fragile

If yes: Not fragile

 

I would gladly spike a bones mini hard enough to catch it on the rebound knowing that it would be in exactly the same condition as when it left my hand.

 

I can't imagine what a metal frostwyrm would look like it it slid off the table and hit a hard floor...little sickle limbs everywhere!

 

If that's too drastic, try this one:

"Would you carry a couple of them loose in a pocket or otherwise unsecured container?"

 

I still wouldn't do that with a metal mini or even a GW plastic one.

 

The out-of-the-blue metal-from-metal breakage has NEVER happened to me, so I can't possibly agree with you on that point.

 

Dropping the frost wyrm? Absolutely, to prove that it is the superglue, and not the metal itself, that is fragile.

[Kay]

A bit confused on the $25 figure case. Two different pictures of it on the facebook rewards photos. The combo picture with the paints shows 5x5 inserts and the case stand alone picture shows 3x5 inserts.

From the details that have been given it will be six of the 5x5 inserts with the ability to purchase other inserts in March. I believe the 3x5 is simply a picture that wasn't updated from when they were experimenting with the the inserts. A 3x5 size may be an option that could be purchased.

 

You can purchase inserts for the case offered in the KS through the website that makes/sells the case now. You don't have to wait until March. I checked it out to see if I could get inserts that will hold larger figures. I can.

 

However- I think I'm going to Harbor Freight to get several of the large tool cases that come with foam to hold the majority of the minis. I also have several unused tackle & tool boxes that I will use after I line them with sticky-back felt and drop a bit of batting into each little slot. MUCH cheaper in the long run and still does a great job keeping the minis safe for storage & travel.

[WhatAboutBob]

"easily broken" seems to be the universal definition of fragile.

 

I can;t even tell you how many times I've had metal bits outright snap off, not just at the glue point but from the metal itself. Bent swords don;t always bend back. Even if it does just break at the glue point that;s still breakage that usually requires scraping off the old glue, reattaching the limb and repainting the join

 

Here's a good test of fragility: Would you drop it from 3 feet onto a concrete floor?

If no: Fragile

If yes: Not fragile

 

I would gladly spike a bones mini hard enough to catch it on the rebound knowing that it would be in exactly the same condition as when it left my hand.

 

I can't imagine what a metal frostwyrm would look like it it slid off the table and hit a hard floor...little sickle limbs everywhere!

 

If that's too drastic, try this one:

"Would you carry a couple of them loose in a pocket or otherwise unsecured container?"

 

I still wouldn't do that with a metal mini or even a GW plastic one.

 

The out-of-the-blue metal-from-metal breakage has NEVER happened to me, so I can't possibly agree with you on that point.

 

Dropping the frost wyrm? Absolutely, to prove that it is the superglue, and not the metal itself, that is fragile.

 

Tin - can be quite fragile. While it may not have happened to you, it does in fact happen. The structure of solid tin is crystalline. This is why you can hear it crack when you bend a figure (Tin Cry). Break enough of the tin crystals, and it will just fall apart. Sometimes this is from repeated straightening of things like swords or spears, other times it is an issue with cooling too fast in the mold (faster cooling results in larger crystals which are more easy to break). Other times it can be fiddly bits which are bounced around in airplanes, UPS trucks and store patrons until you finally open the package and when you attempt to straighten a flail or something like that - it just has no integrity left.

 

I've never been struck by lightning, but I've heard it happen before. As a result, I don't play golf in thunderstorms. Just because you haven't experienced something yourself, doesn't mean that it isn't a potential problem.

[Hellcow]

 

 

The out-of-the-blue metal-from-metal breakage has NEVER happened to me, so I can't possibly agree with you on that point.

 

Dropping the frost wyrm? Absolutely, to prove that it is the superglue, and not the metal itself, that is fragile.

 

You are very lucky then. I had this happen more often than I can remember. I would give even odds that the Frost Wyrm, in metal, would crack or outright break at a non-glued portion dropped from 3 feet.

[buglips*the*goblin]

 

The out-of-the-blue metal-from-metal breakage has NEVER happened to me, so I can't possibly agree with you on that point.

 

Dropping the frost wyrm? Absolutely, to prove that it is the superglue, and not the metal itself, that is fragile.

 

 

The high tin alloy is sturdier than the lead, and if you're lucky enough that the sword/weapon/fiddly bit isn't badly warped it can take a lot of punishment. But I've got some Parthas with swords curved and bent like silly string, and by the time they're straightened it wouldn't take much for them to snap. Even with very little handling.

 

Lead, now that's a whole different beast. I think that warps just by looking at it, and any sort of fall and even if the paint survives you've turned Sir Pantsalot into Smushface. Chances are he's going to be holding a broken hilt, too.

 

So lead is inherently fragile (I have minis with their faces rubbed off from normal use), but tin is sturdier if it hasn't needed a lot of manipulating to cause crystal fracturing.

[GregR]

Yep, tin-bismuth pewter is fragile by any accepted definition of the word. I've had plenty of weapons and thin protrusions snap off from straightening or a table-height drop. A properly pinned and glued joint will survive the metal around it every time. Granted some sculpts have no such protrusions, and a properly cast 1/4" thick arm is going to be very strong indeed. A rapier or katana, however, will likely snap the first time it's dropped... just like the dozens of spines protruding from the frost wyrm.

 

I've also done some white metal casting of my own conversion sculpts and the like, and as mentioned, if the pour cools too quickly (and you can hear it "pinging" as it does) the finished part can be snapped with light pressure.

[Wren]

I have a couple of incidents of dropping human sized figures. One had come with pegged feet that I epoxy glued into the base. The glue held, the metal stretched and warped. (And the paint job was disasterously ruined. :-<) The other also had pegged feet, one of which lifted just a little, but I was able to slide a bit of glue under and fix it. The paint had two significant chip areas, but was otherwise fine, and I was able to repair it almost unnoticeably. Both were manufactured by the same company. I suspect that had I used my usual pin method rather than a 'pin' that was the same metal as the figure, there might have been a better chance for the first.

 

The weird part? The first drop was onto a thin sheet of wood that was on top of carpet and wood floors. The second one was on to a solid cement floor.

 

I transport painted metal miniatures with trepidation, though often a lot of that has to do with the level of the paint and the fragility of basing materials. I was pinging the Bones miniatures I did to test durability with off of the table and tossing them in a box with a bunch of others that I carried around in a backpack all day. I'll take a little more care with the ones I paint to use rather than test, but probably not a lot more.

[daeglan]

>>3682

>Metal

>Fragile

 

lolwut

 

 

I gave that the triple-take, too . . . but it actually makes sense. Bend a sword one too many times and you're in snap country. Plus paint wears more on metals. That's a kind of fragility. Yes? No? I say yes.

 

However, Bones soft plastic, while more durable, is significantly less likely to deliver a satisfying "THWACK" when one of the players is slow learning.

 

Gotta keep 'em in line, and when it comes to asserting your authority via hurled trauma only metal will do. Or one of those freakishly big dice sets. I have a set. They're red.

 

 

I think they started off white, though.

 

They will if you use a wrist rocket.....