Dan d'Lyon Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 This hobby is an investment just like any other.As a general rule, hobbies aren't investments. That statement is beyond bizarre. It's downright alien. Again, I disagree. It is an investment of your time and money to participate in your hobbies. How is that bizarre and/or alien? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApesAmongUs Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 It's bizarre because you are taking this opportunity to redefine "investment". We were talking about buying and selling, which is an "investment" where you expect a return. Now, you are using the word to mean anything where time and money are used, but there may be no expected "return" other than enjoyment. If you are using the first definition, then the vast majority of hobbies are not an investment. If the later, then you are failing to address the problem people have with resellers. If you're mixing the two definitions depending on what is being discussed, then you are being misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeySloth Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 It can be both actually as I don't see hobbies as investments unless you know, around the time you start up, that you may try and make money with them via a side business or even a full time one. If one was to plan on making money via miniatures by painting commissions or the like you could see this as an investment of your time and money to get good enough to do so. If you've already reached that point then decide to do commissions, but it's never been something on your mind before, then it's not an investment up till that point. I try to do whatever I can to make sure that doesn't happy because I don't want my hobby to be a job and source of stress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan d'Lyon Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Enjoyment is as much a return on investment as money is, as you said. I'm not being misleading at all. I bought a house and I consider that an investment even though I'm not planning to sell it and I'll certainly lose money if I do. But yet, I enjoy having it. But if you want to talk strictly in buying and selling miniatures, you are assuming that my enjoyment of the hobby (I own easily 5000 miniatures in my personal collection, have enough rules systems to play a different game every week for a year, and that doesn't include all the board, card, dice, and roleplaying games I also own) is exclusive from my enjoyment of finding a good deal on miniatures (that anyone else could also do if they wanted to) and then profiting by selling them to someone else. If selling miniatures on eBay is another one of my hobbies, then doing so at a profit really is the only reason to do it. I find it fun (and sometimes amusing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recruittons Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) So, not to be a major thread necro on this, but the campaign is winding to a close (last 24 hours) and they've really made some changes to it. Still no add-ons, but they've given anyone pledging at the $125 or $225 levels a free Santana Ortega, $225 gets the Malifaux hanging tree mini, and they both get an extra multipose miniature sprue. Also, they revealed each MPM sprue (of which those 2 levels get 4) makes 3 minis a piece. Wasn't sure if this would entice anyone, but I figured I'd put the news out there. EDIT: Oh, and they have added a free Fate Deck to the $60 level, as well as PDF copies of the books to all levels. Edited January 10, 2013 by recruittons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recruittons Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Almost forgot to add that currently, they are running a bit of a game where if they reach 1000 "points" (earned by sharing, tweeting, liking and pledging at high levels), the $60 level will also get a free Santana figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Goodchild Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Ghaa! Less than four hours left and I'm still on the fence. I like the hardcover and I like the exclusive mini but I can't kick in for the Gameroom level to get both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recruittons Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Yeah, splitting the exclusives between the middle tiers and only having both at the top wasn't a very kind move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Goodchild Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Would have been nice to make them available separately as add-ons at the very least. Oh well, maybe my A-D-D will kick in on my drive home from work and I'll forget all about it until it's too late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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