Completed James Wappel - Discover the painting pyramid instructional DVDs

[CashWiley]

We need to know what retail pricing is going to be. Are those 15 people lucky to be paying the full $20 for the videos? The 2 'free' videos is a step in the right direction, but for 400 bones, it should've been all 10. If the idea is to charge a premium for better instruction (and I'm just making an assumption there, but it seems to be his goal); then the KS pledges (especially the big ones) should be a significant savings. As it is, even with the 'free' videos, it's still the most expensive set of videos by an extreme margin.

 

I just don't get it. Sloth, I am backing this and hopeful James can make it a better deal by the end. KS I don't think are worth it I don't waste my time discussing :) Right now $400 is such an extreme margin that a 'bonus' of allowing someone to spend another $120 on top of that is bordering on insult. $520 would buy you every mini painting video ever made and you would still have money to buy Kingdom Death minis.

 

As an aside, I think Patrick's Bombshell gets 'most improved' KS creator for 2012 for allowing people to trade in the t-shirt. I have zero point zero interest in t-shirts or other things that aren't the KS product.

[CashWiley]

To put in some more maths.

 

If the basing videos were all included in the 400 pledge, assuming his stated constant of 100 minutes/video.

 

3000 minutes for $400 = 7.5 minutes per $1

 

At the current offering:

 

3000 minutes for $520 = 5.7 minutes per $1

 

To be at a market value with current pricing for instructional videos, each video should be priced, going by dollar per minute ratios:

 

$333 to be priced along the premium Jen vid (downloadable in HD)

$250 to be priced along Laszlo/Darksword

$192 to be priced along Natalya/Marike

 

Or to offer the same value per dollar for the 30 video set:

 

4680 minutes at Jen's $/min (in HD)

6240 minutes at Laszlo/DS $/min

8112 minutes at Natalya/Marike $/min

[Hyrgulf]

Well, depending on how he does stretch goals, it might end up being mostly free additional videos. which then might bring the overall prices down. Bringing in new people as the value per dollar increases.

 

 

[CashWiley]

That's my hope. As I said, I'm backing it. But I'm also tracking it :)

 

With KS it always helps to be informed. Having a talented creator and good product is only part of the formula, making an informed buying decision is the other.

[SamuraiJack]

Looking at your math, it looks like he needs to get the cost down to about 10 minutes per $1 to be closer to Jen's videos.. or maybe closer to 12 per $1 to be somewhere in the middle of pricing..

[Exwilly]

im considering this since im really only after certain videos(skin(light or ruddy), osl and freehand design) but i might just wait for reapers new paint sets.

[CashWiley]

I think $10 per video would be reasonable retail pricing, maybe a break for the KS backers. That would position him near the top end of the market and reward his attention to detail and thoroughness per topic.

 

Alternately, bump each 'DVD' up to 200 minutes each, which is probably less realistic or desirable as the tendency to pad things, especially basing, would be too great.

 

And hopefully the move to downloadable via CMoN facilitates the HD offering. That's got to be a given even at $10 per video.

[MonkeySloth]

200 minutes for some of those topics is going to be hard. I don't know how he's going to fill 100 minutes on glazing without just doing "watch me paint for 90 minutes" let alone 200.

Edited January 12, 2013 by MonkeySloth

[Sanael]

This is another concern for me. Why are all the skintones broken out the way they are? I get that darker skintones are more complex than lighter complexions, but why not a light skin video and a dark skin video? Filling 500 minutes on five different skintones seems ambitious.

[MonkeySloth]

It would be nice to have a general breakdown how each video is planned. I assume there's going to be a lot of "watch me paint this" in these but I could be way wrong.

[dariustad]

I have a feeling these videos are largely in the "I have it all worked out in my head" stage and not in a well-planned, "This is what I'm doing and here are my video outlines" format. The pricing system and the fact he suddenly needed a new computer implies this is probably true.

 

 

 

Edit. Typos.

Edited January 13, 2013 by dariustad

[SamuraiJack]

Digital Tiers are up.. $100 for 6 videos and an additional video as a stretch goal reward

 

[dariustad]

The guy still doesn't get it. Charging the same amount, $16.67 per video, regardless of bid amount, does NOT promote investment beyond the people who were already willing to spend the money anyway. The more spent should lower the cost per video not keep it the same; this is the driving concept behind bulk purchasing. This project is just a massive dig for money, despite the artist's talent.

[MonkeySloth]

What's wrong with making money off a Kickstarter?

[SamuraiJack]

@Darius you realize that one reason he is doing this is so he doesn't have to work 16 hours a day, 7 days a week painting minis to be able to eat and make the videos right? He's been honest about that..

 

The $100 digital tier now has 7 videos which brings it to $14.28/video and he just said he wants to add more videos as bonus videos for stretch goals.. one more puts him at $12.50/dvd which per CW's number crunching puts him in the mid range.. If we assume he'll cut out 50% of the video he records for each DVD he'll be spending 2.5 hours recording each DVD.. with 30+ DVD's thats over 600 hours of recording time (Fifteen 40 hour work weeks) he's not spending making his normal living.. plus the costs of editing software, reasonably decent PC to edit with, editing time, packaging on physical DVD's.. and 10% of the money goes to KS/Amazon off the top..

 

Could he be cheaper? Possibly. But I know what my time is worth, and 15 - 20 weeks of it for only 20k isn't a ridiculous figure..