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Of course, I don't really see the appeal of mostly-naked figures at all. If you want porn, it's out there for free; you don't need to buy and paint a little piece of metal to get it. I want my minis to represent warriors, and it doesn't make sense for most of them to have individual boob-pockets in their armor, or chainmail bikinis, and so forth. I get that others do, which is great; I honestly just don't get it.

 

80 years of pulp roots. Conan, Boris Vallejo, etc. Whether you see the scantily-clad heroines as purile chessecake or homage to the roots of this vastly-expanded fantasy genre we enjoy is a matter of personal taste. Personally, on that score, I lean towards homage. I buy scantily-clad lady minis (in particular Dennis Mize scantily-clad lady minis) for the same reasons I buy cheesy old robots with antennaes and dials. There's more processing power in an iPhone than Robby the Robot ever would have dreamed of, but he's still cooler. And Red Sonja might have dramatically improper taste in protective wear, but she's entitled to it because she's been winning battles dressed that way since before I learned to cry, much less roll dice. (Lately the latter leads frequently to the former)

 

And I say, by Crom, if Conan can do what he does dressed only in fur undies and boots, then equality dictates Red Sonja can do likewise in a chainmail bikini and she doesn't need to cover herself all up in metal for protection because she's every bit as skilled as Conan.

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Anyone notice that due to the quiver the male spider centaur is more naked than the female? The Snake-man is showing off nearly as much of his charms as Medusa. The lizard man w/ spear is as naked as the day he hatched.

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hehe, let's all just agree that there's a lot of flesh on display in the reaper store and we're all fine with that :lol:



And I say, by Crom, if Conan can do what he does dressed only in fur undies and boots, then equality dictates Red Sonja can do likewise in a chainmail bikini and she doesn't need to cover herself all up in metal for protection because she's every bit as skilled as Conan.


And that is a perfect way to put it!

 

If you ask me, which no one did, but I'm gonna pretend you did anyway ::P: women like sexy minis to potray their characters because they like being portrayed as sexy. To be powerful and sexy, like Monique for example, is a very desirable thing, in men and women's eyes.

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she might very well think that all her preconceived ideas about nerds and D&D and comics and whatever else were true, and flee the hobby, never to return. The ones who stick around are the ones who saw the cheesecakey models and decided they were okay with it.

So, win/win.

 

Of course, I don't really see the appeal of mostly-naked figures at all. If you want porn, it's out there for free; you don't need to buy and paint a little piece of metal to get it. I want my minis to represent warriors, and it doesn't make sense for most of them to have individual boob-pockets in their armor, or chainmail bikinis, and so forth. I get that others do, which is great; I honestly just don't get it.

John Carter rules of combat. No matter how bad-elf you think you are, you will never be as impressive as the guy who does all the same stuff with his wang flapping about.

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she might very well think that all her preconceived ideas about nerds and D&D and comics and whatever else were true, and flee the hobby, never to return. The ones who stick around are the ones who saw the cheesecakey models and decided they were okay with it.

So, win/win.

Why is this win/win? Shouldn't we want more people in the hobby, especially normally-underrepresented groups?

 

Of course, I don't really see the appeal of mostly-naked figures at all. If you want porn, it's out there for free; you don't need to buy and paint a little piece of metal to get it. I want my minis to represent warriors, and it doesn't make sense for most of them to have individual boob-pockets in their armor, or chainmail bikinis, and so forth. I get that others do, which is great; I honestly just don't get it.

John Carter rules of combat. No matter how bad-elf you think you are, you will never be as impressive as the guy who does all the same stuff with his wang flapping about.

Haha, fair enough. ::D:

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she might very well think that all her preconceived ideas about nerds and D&D and comics and whatever else were true, and flee the hobby, never to return. The ones who stick around are the ones who saw the cheesecakey models and decided they were okay with it.

So, win/win.

 

Why is this win/win? Shouldn't we want more people in the hobby, especially normally-underrepresented groups?

 

 

 

Well, if somebody looks at the cheesecake and has enough of a problem with it to leave the hobby entirely, then I agree it's win/win. Because I'm all for also producing non-cheesecake models but if somebody is that easily offended by my Red Sonja and her band of scanty bandits then I don't want them in the hobby. They're the kind who will woof and complain and nag until I don't get to enjoy my 80 years of pulp weirdness anymore, and then they've ruined my enjoyment of the hobby, and if they're going to be that way about it then I don't think I need to be accomodating at all. They can get stuffed or find something else to do.

 

But somebody who says "I'm cool with the cheesecake, because I can also enjoy my fully-armored totally realistic Elf Princess and everybody's happy" is welcome to join in the fun. Accomodation means I get something, they get something, and fair representation - not "buglips isn't allowed to have big-boobed barbarian chainmail bikini girls because somebody might be offended". That's not accomodation, that's just being an elf. Begone, tyrant offendee, let not yon door hit thee on thy way out.

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Yes, I agree completely, Buglips. But that's why we need realistically-armored women and nekkid men in in addition to the reverse--if you only have scantily-clad women, or if you have a high-enough gender imbalance that it appears to an outsider that they're all you have, then you're chasing away many more people than the folks who are opposed to all nudity ever; you're also scaring off plenty of women (and probably some men, frankly) who would be valuable contributions to the hobby if their first experience had been different.

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Looking through the new reaper bones it doesn't seem to me like realistically armored women are all that under represented. Naked men with swords and spears are just a google search away in quantities that likely match the current demand for them. The stereotypical male "sexy pose" is a sucked in gut and puffed chest, you'll find that in pretty much every mini line. What more exactly do you you want?

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Yes, I agree completely, Buglips. But that's why we need realistically-armored women and nekkid men in in addition to the reverse--if you only have scantily-clad women, or if you have a high-enough gender imbalance that it appears to an outsider that they're all you have, then you're chasing away many more people than the folks who are opposed to all nudity ever; you're also scaring off plenty of women (and probably some men, frankly) who would be valuable contributions to the hobby if their first experience had been different.

 

Among the bigger companies, even going back to Partha days, cheesecake being overrepresented has never been a problem. It might be more prevalent amongst smaller, or boutique manufacturers, but that's niche-carving and doesn't apply.

 

There's not even close to a shortage of realistically armored and proportioned character pieces. I could find several hundred practical girlies without much effort - heck, even within my own collection, and I'm a cheesecake fan, the practicals outnumber the scantyclads and virtually all I buy are women and monsters.

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Looking through the new reaper bones it doesn't seem to me like realistically armored women are all that under represented. Naked men with swords and spears are just a google search away in quantities that likely match the current demand for them. The stereotypical male "sexy pose" is a sucked in gut and puffed chest, you'll find that in pretty much every mini line. What more exactly do you you want?

 

I'd like something a little more "bishonen"*. I mean, since you're asking. The sort that would likely crop up as bards, cavaliers, nobles, bushi, swashbucklers, captains of the guard, fighter pilots, incubi, elves; etc and so forth. Not even suggesting all, or even most of them ought be naked. About the only one on that list is the incubi and even then I'd prefer a pose that didn't leave me having to paint danglybits.

 

Just saying. :upside:

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I have a friend with a shelf full of those. They are a larger scale though. About 2 inches tall and imported from japan. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they exist in something closer to 28mm. Getting them produced here is just a matter of convincing a company they wouldn't lose money on them.

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