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hi everyone, I'm new here, and I just started using my husband's brushes and colors. I have to admit I had some fun with previous kit rat and Anuryan, getting somewhat imprecise but nice results. But now I'm having a harder time with some details on the Tsuko miniature. Mouth, chest skintone, a scar I added to left eye: I have some trouble resolving these details.

I used black primer (I really can't follow directions as you can notice...), and I tried the Highland moss green triad instead of the red in the kit, as well as less tanned skintones, even if the pics seems more greyish than original. And I have to admit I started practing layering but then was tempted and added some washing, messing up especially on the chest.

I'm almost done, as soon as I decide how to paint those details; and hopefully with any comment or critics on your part I can get a satisfying result. My husband is very supportive and nice, maybe I 'll get more neutral opinions from you :)

Thanks everyone!

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The gray wash gives him a nice 5 o'clock shadow but, as you said, it really doesn't work well for the chest.

 

To shade skin you'll generally want to go with purples and brownish reds, not grays, and the best way to define things is with contrast that are pretty stark.

 

Overall I think you're doing a great job for your 3rd mini. You've got eyes down already (which is something that takes some people a long time to get right) and the wood\leather on the weapon look really cool too.

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The gray wash gives him a nice 5 o'clock shadow but, as you said, it really doesn't work well for the chest.

 

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are you referring to the light beard? I actually like that detail. Chest is to be fixed I agree. It risks to get fatter as I insist correcting... but I guess this is normal with the very first miniatures. thanks :)

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I am, as you'll see in my work-in-progress threads, a strong proponent of making it up as you go and seeing what happens.

 

However, if you are doing the paint kits I very strongly urge you to follow the instructions as closely as possible. There will be a time for creativity later. Lots of it. Hundreds of miniatures worth. By jumping ahead, you may deny yourself learning opportunities that may turn into problems later.

 

In particular, choosing this green for Tsuko, while not a bad look, means you've avoided doing his predominant red - and red is a hard colour to work with. In my opinion, it's pretty evil. By tackling it now, with some instruction, you have a guide to help you out. Tackling red for the first time later may be a grueling, and gruesome, experience.

 

The paint kits are designed to set you up with the basic know-how to later apply when you get creative and you're loose on your own. My recommendation, therefore, despite being antithetical to my practice, is that instead of trying to fix the issue this paint job has you instead strip the mini down and do it by the numbers.

 

It might seem a bit boring that way, but when you're painting Sir Shinesalot The Red and his Stirring Pegasus of Might later it will totally pay off in a big way. You'll save yourself tremendous trouble.

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While I have the greatest admiration and respect for Buglips' experience and advice, I can't bring myself to second the stripping down of this mini. It's darned impressive for your third figure, and it seems a shame to undo that work.

 

I can't speak as to the difficulty or not of using reds -- I mix my own colors, and I can only guess as to the problem* -- but if it really is that important to get practice with them, I would almost rather see you order a duplicate of the figure and do it again rather than strip it. That way you get practice, this nice mini is still usable ... and maybe later for a game you have a set of two of them, one green and one red.

 

To emphasize the scar, I would recommend picking a side the light is coming from, then painting a thin line of medium warm pink on that side and a thin line of reddish brown on the other. That would be the same reddish brown you use to wash over the torso to offset the grey. I agree that the grey on the face makes the chin look like a beard is growing, which is pretty cool.

 

For the mouth, a simple technique is to wash a brown over the lips and dab a tiny bit just under them as a shadow under the lip, then when that is dry paint a tint just a little redder than the skin tone on the lower lip. The upper lip is left in shadow, although you can put a color it too and leave the brown as the opening of the lips. Just remember the upper lip points down and thus is a little more shadowed than the lower lip. In real life lips can be much darker than the skin, but by artistic convention at the moment men's lips are relatively pale.

 

 

 

 

*Reds in miniatures paint lines tend to be mixes of iron oxide red, which is a dense, strong, opaque pigment but a little subdued and rusty in color, and / or a synthetic organic red, probably quinacridone, which is brilliantly colored but fairly transparent. I am guessing the trickiness of reds may come from layering these two types to get a red that is both bright and opaque. But I don't know for certain, and Buglips really is the expert on this.

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I am, as you'll see in my work-in-progress threads, a strong proponent of making it up as you go and seeing what happens.

 

However, if you are doing the paint kits I very strongly urge you to follow the instructions as closely as possible. There will be a time for creativity later. Lots of it. Hundreds of miniatures worth. By jumping ahead, you may deny yourself learning opportunities that may turn into problems later.

 

In particular, choosing this green for Tsuko, while not a bad look, means you've avoided doing his predominant red - and red is a hard colour to work with. In my opinion, it's pretty evil. By tackling it now, with some instruction, you have a guide to help you out. Tackling red for the first time later may be a grueling, and gruesome, experience.

 

The paint kits are designed to set you up with the basic know-how to later apply when you get creative and you're loose on your own. My recommendation, therefore, despite being antithetical to my practice, is that instead of trying to fix the issue this paint job has you instead strip the mini down and do it by the numbers.

 

It might seem a bit boring that way, but when you're painting Sir Shinesalot The Red and his Stirring Pegasus of Might later it will totally pay off in a big way. You'll save yourself tremendous trouble.

thanks for your precious advices: you are right, I missed my occasion to practice with red layering. I still have the sorceress, I promise I'll do my best to follow instructions and colors the kit suggests. I think I am keeping both Pingo's and your advice: I won't redo his green pants but my next mini order could include a new Tsuko I would paint as meant. the idea of Tsuko twins is nice, thanks Pingo.

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That's actually interesting.. I never noticed that within the first 2 L2PKs, they deal with both blue and red. Clever.

 

Also, though I'd tend to agree with the gentlemen (and goblin) above about sticking to the plans in the L2PKs, I think you've got a really nice look here. Nice looking skin, great eyes, and the unshaven look is very cool. Add to that that since Tsuko is ALWAYS red, any change is actually kind of refreshing. :)

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I have to agree with Buglips on painting with red. it is a pain in the butt. There are some tricks to work around it, but for the most part, red is the colour that takes the most practice, followed by white and yellow. That said, I love the green, it looks great, but I think you really should do yourself a favour, and try painting something, anything, in red, following the L2PK's advice.

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Eh, when you paint red, if you have any problems, just go read the advice in the ltpk. The mini you're painting doesn't matter because when the guide gets mini specific its only for where to place shadows and highlights and that's color agnostic. when the guides talk about color they're mini agnostic so you won't be hurt by not painting red on this figure.

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@pingo Most basic reds in mini paint lines are probably quinacridone as they have poor coverage on the base coat and then you mix with yellow, which also tend to be more transparent, for highlights and it makes it more difficult. I really have no issue with reds, never have, as I think what colors are hard vary from painter to painter, style to style. I personally find blues crazy hard to blend right but not blue and another color.

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here it is, the green Tsuko is done. Not really satisfied about lips, even though I tried to literally follow Pingo's tips.

I added a very light wash of reddish brown to the scar, and I like that.

I went over and over the skin tone, obtaining a pinker result (also thanks to MonkeySloth's tips, I feel I enjoyed trying to get better results -at least I hope so- afraid as I was to get bored staying on the same mini for so long); the Tsuko's skin tone finally turned into a little tanner one with the sealer finish (last 3 pics). And I had to repaint its eyes as well... sometimes brushes get alive and perfidious, I discovered.

I also layered some more the green pants to emphasize its folds.

That's it.

I am now ready to paint the sorceress (LTPK2).

Once again, C&C more than welcome :)

 

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