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Scales: English              Metric

            1:180                 10mm

  CAV   1:160                 12mm

            1:144                 13mm

            1:120                 15mm

 

Did the scale change again?

 

In an older thread that meandered past all sorts of related and not-so-related issues I thought it was pegged at and officially announced as 1:180.

 

Eg:

 

Ground Distance Scale / Terrain & Buildings / Six Foot Tall Objects (like figures)

  • 1:1200 --- 1 inch equals 100 feet --- 1.5 mm soldiers
  • 1: 900 --- 1 inch equals 75 feet --- 2 mm soldiers
  • 1: 600 --- 1 inch equals 50 feet --- 3 mm soldiers
  • 1: 300 --- 1 inch equals 25 feet --- 6 mm soldiers
  • 1: 240 --- 1 inch equals 20 feet --- 7.5 mm soldiers
  • 1: 225 --- 1 inch equals 18.75 feet --- 8 mm soldiers
  • 1: 180 --- 1 inch equals 15 feet --- 10 mm soldiers <----- CAV Scale
  • 1: 120 --- 1 inch equals 10 feet --- 15 mm soldiers
  • 1: 60 --- 1 inch equals 5 feet --- 30 mm soldiers
  • 1: 48 --- 1 inch equals 4 feet --- 37.5 mm soldiers
  • 1: 20 ---- 1 inch equals 20 inches --- 90 mm soldiers
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Yes, that is what CAV:SO will be. CAV1 & 2 rules are N-Scale. The current CAV and TS miniatures are at N-Scale and if I remember correctly non-CAV, non-TS are 1/3rd N-Scale.

 

Got it, different versions, right. I didn't realize the OP was making a distinction between old/new CAV.

 

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Ground Distance Scale / Terrain & Buildings / Six Foot Tall Objects (like figures)

  • 1:1200 -- 1 inch equals 100 feet ---- 1.5 mm soldiers
  • 1: 900 --- 1 inch equals 75 feet ------ 2 mm soldiers
  • 1: 600 --- 1 inch equals 50 feet ------ 3 mm soldiers
  • 1: 300 --- 1 inch equals 25 feet ------ 6 mm soldiers
  • 1: 240 --- 1 inch equals 20 feet ------ 7.5 mm soldiers
  • 1: 225 --- 1 inch equals 18.75 feet --- 8 mm soldiers
  • 1: 180 --- 1 inch equals 15 feet ---- 10 mm soldiers <----- CAV:SO Scale
  • 1: 160 --- 1 inch equals 13.33 feet --- 11.25 mm soldiers
  • 1: 150 --- 1 inch equals 12.5 feet ---- 12 mm soldiers
  • 1: 120 --- 1 inch equals 10 feet ------ 15 mm soldiers
  • 1: 60 ---- 1 inch equals 5 feet --------- 30 mm soldiers
  • 1: 48 ---- 1 inch equals 4 feet --------- 37.5 mm soldiers

Old CAV (blue) was a bit of a scale mish-mash then.

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You need to create a user name on battletech, because you need to be logged in to see their pics. That's why I don't normally like to post pics on the forums. With over 300 CAV and over 1000 mechs I can post some pretty cool pics

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Would the models work well with Battletech minis?

 

Yes and no. They're a little too big for your standard mapsheet hexes, and thanks to the inconsistent scale on the IWM stuff CAVs tower over them and dominate the field visually. I'll try to remember to take pictures when I get home, if you guys will pardon the mess; I'm still unpacking from moving.

 

That said, as long as you're not getting into base-to-base combat, they work just fine. Since I have nobody to play CAV with locally, I use 'em as stand-ins for custom machines in BT.

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Yes, that is what CAV:SO will be. CAV1 & 2 rules are N-Scale. The current CAV and TS miniatures are at N-Scale and if I remember correctly non-CAV, non-TS are 1/3rd N-Scale.

 

Got it, different versions, right. I didn't realize the OP was making a distinction between old/new CAV.

 

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Ground Distance Scale / Terrain & Buildings / Six Foot Tall Objects (like figures)

  • 1:1200 -- 1 inch equals 100 feet ---- 1.5 mm soldiers
  • 1: 900 --- 1 inch equals 75 feet ------ 2 mm soldiers
  • 1: 600 --- 1 inch equals 50 feet ------ 3 mm soldiers
  • 1: 300 --- 1 inch equals 25 feet ------ 6 mm soldiers
  • 1: 240 --- 1 inch equals 20 feet ------ 7.5 mm soldiers
  • 1: 225 --- 1 inch equals 18.75 feet --- 8 mm soldiers
  • 1: 180 --- 1 inch equals 15 feet ---- 10 mm soldiers <----- CAV:SO Scale
  • 1: 160 --- 1 inch equals 13.33 feet --- 11.25 mm soldiers
  • 1: 150 --- 1 inch equals 12.5 feet ---- 12 mm soldiers
  • 1: 120 --- 1 inch equals 10 feet ------ 15 mm soldiers
  • 1: 60 ---- 1 inch equals 5 feet --------- 30 mm soldiers
  • 1: 48 ---- 1 inch equals 4 feet --------- 37.5 mm soldiers

Old CAV (blue) was a bit of a scale mish-mash then.

This is really a grey area as there seems to be no set standard when checking of scales defined by many different sites. The one trap to watch for is what the scale is based upon. Using N-Scale as an example, you will hear N-Scale or N-Gauge which is two different measurements. I have seen N-Scale listed as 12mm, 10mm, and even lower. As to old/new CAV, without seeing the new rule ranges, I believe you will find a change of movement/weapons distances. For an answer to CAV and BT useage I would say the smaller CAVs would work fine with BT .

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Here is a site, the NMRA (National Model Railroad Association) that sets the standards for model railroading in North America.

 

http://www.nmra.org/standards/sandrp/pdf/S-1.2%202009.07.pdf

 

 

This PDF file shows the most common scales and gauges. You can see, by looking at N-Scale, where some web sites can say N-Scale is as low as 6.5 mm if they go by Gauge instead of scale.

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N-Gauge is not a scale, it's a 9mm distance between rails (with a specified tolerance).

 

N-Scale is nominally 1:160, though there are some minor manufacturer variations.

 

From that we can extrapolate scale...but it's still an important distinction to make.

 

1:1 gauge is 1435mm, which puts N-Gauge at 1:159.4[4], or close enough to 1:160 to fool the eye. This is the only time in my adult life to date that having an HO layout as a kid came in handy.

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To further muddle things up, it appears that in Wargaming the scale is set by miniature men 6' high. How this was ever determined I have yet to discover, but one standard is a measurement to eye level ( huh?), and the other is to the top of the head (logical). So if in Wargaming the scale is a 6' man, then we get: 1828.8 mm and in N-Scale we have 11.43mm (12mm I have read about.). So the saga continues.

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