I'll Be Happy When The Kickstarter Is All Shipped

[buglips*the*goblin]

Not so much because I'll have my Bones, which is very nice, but because at least at that point if there are complaints they'll be new complaints.

 

I'm getting pretty tired of the repetitive hyperbolic screaming and foot-stamping. Not because of the complaints, I mean if people are upset about the delay that's cool. I hear ya, brother (or sister). I expected I'd be up to my armpits in delicious Bones by now.

 

But this binary internet hyperbole, that is exhausting. The people creating ghost armies of unspecified supporters to back them up, who are apparently all so enraged they're turning against Reaper wholesale. The idea that a four-month delay, or insufficient frequency of "no new news" updates, renders Reaper the Most Evile Company Evars!!11!!1!

 

I mean, what happened? What happened to the idea of being adult? When I see people react over this like Bryan personally drove to their house and skinned their cat, I'm forced to wonder if maybe the rest of us would be better off if they did take their ball and go home. Because that's some seriously mentally unhinged behaviour, to go direct from "luv 4ever" to super rage-mode hate. Know what I mean?

 

I don't know about those people, but a 4-month delay in little plastic people is hardly my greatest disappointment of the year. It has not, thus far, made my world crumble into apocalyptic ruin. It is certainly not the greatest trauma to visit itself into my life.

 

So why are some people acting like it is? Sheesh. Chillax a little. Unless somebody needs their kickstarter to pay off a debt to the Hell's Angels or they're going to drive-by their house, I suspect the remaining wait time can be easily endured without resort to shrill hyperbole. Why not give it a try?

[redambrosia]

Yep. I don't even read most of the threads in the Bones section, it's too exhausting. I try it every now and then, only to find the same complaints, and it's like, really? So I just ignore them. I look at the "Bones we'd like to see" thread and occasionally the others.

 

Yes, I want them too, just like everyone else. But I can wait, and I'm pretty good at being patient. Sometimes anyway. I just buy more minis. I just got a new box from Reaper yesterday. I finally have Sir Forscale hehe.

[Malynor]

As someone who got into the hobby after the kickstarter ended, I am so very tempted to offer to buy out some of those super-complainer pledges.

 

I mean, it only makes sense that if they are complaining so vehemently, they should leap at the chance to be done with the entire thing, right?

 

But seriously, I'll be happy when the kickstarter is all shipped because it will mean that all of the awesome BONES in the preview gallery (and maybe more?) will become available for me to buy. And I'll be perfectly happy paying full pop (BONES are great partly because of their price anyways right?). Although the rumors of a $400 retail vampire box have me all tingly... I don't know if I could swing that by the fiancee, but I'd be tempted to try.

[TaleSpinner]

I'm running on the theory that those going into hysterics over a few months of delay have never experienced real tragedy/heartache. Once you have survived a REAL life threatening situation, you have a whole new perspective on these sorts of things. It just isn't worth the stress and anxiety.

 

At this point, I'm mostly just happy each day because I get to watch my kids grow up and hug them and my wife every day. I almost didn't get that gift at one point, but by the grace of God I'm still here. The arrival time of little plastic people really is inconsequential in comparison.

 

It's all a matter of perspective.

[Heisler]

The interesting thing is that those super complainers don't want to sell off their pledges. I have offered on numerous occasions to buy out someone's pledge (not more than they paid for it though) and been rebuked every time.

Edited June 8, 2013 by Heisler

[Nocturne]

I DEMAND EVERY REAPER STAFF MEMBER GET A HEARTBEAT MONITOR SO WE KNOW HOW HARD THEY ARE WORKING EVERY SINGLE SECOND AND CAN DEMAND TO KNOW WHY THEY ARE TIME WASTING IF IT GETS TOO LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

It'll get here when it gets here. If there's something I really need to know they'll tell me.

[Shakandara]

Yep. I don't even read most of the threads in the Bones section, it's too exhausting.

 

This. I get why people are upset, and why they are complaining. I support their right to do so. I also support my right to tune them the hell out and stop listening.

 

It'll get here when it gets here.

 

~v

[buglips*the*goblin]

It's the hyperbole that gets me. It's the same out in the real world, the idea that anger volume = instant satisfaction. (Really it just results in most convenient placebo to be rid of you so the staff can talk about you when you're gone).

 

Delay in shipping, communication maybe less than desired? It's okay to be unhappy. Disappointed. To even say you'd prefer things to be different.

 

But to threaten the end of all business, and that legions of other people will do likewise, and yell about poor customer service, and succumb to the treacherous embrace of the internet hyperbole monster?

 

That's just childish, and it looks childish, and everybody can see it. I'll happily read complaints all day long, but tantrums are just tantrums. Especially when there isn't even a solution at hand. Even the collective power of every hand at Reaper, and all the power of positive thinking, even the intervention of the King of Motivation - Mr. T himself - cannot get the ship across the Pacific any faster, nor speed the collective efforts of customs.

 

Either way, we have to wait. The only power of choice we have is whether we do so with some dignity, or embarass ourselves in internet comments.

[SaintRigger]

It is weird - I don't mind waiting, personally. The kickstarter blew up to WAY bigger than they ever expected it to. They said there would be production delays. Fine, it is par for the course. Kickstarter is a micro-investment source where projects can get funding to be worked on. Sometimes project scope changes - it isn't like you are going down to the store and buying a bunch of bananas which are in stock. It's more akin to "Hey, we want to open a banana plantation because bananas are good. Help us build the plantation and we'll make sure once the first shipments are in, you'll get some at a good price as a thank you - otherwise you can wait until they are in the store" - and then getting hit with everyone saying "Hey, I like bananas! I want some too - better get a bigger plantation" and then getting upset because it takes longer to acquire the land, plant the grasses, harvest and ship the bananas - especially with no new plantation workers...

[Jasper_the_2nd]

I counted my remaining Bones the other day (as I was looking at my June painting goals). Still good for another 2 months at my current painting rate. So I'm good.

 

What I'm looking forward to when all the Bones ship is being able to look at these forums without having to worry about seeing someone ranting about "the injustice of it all" .... I really like it when the different main sections go from the Bold "there is something you haven't read yet" to the unbolded "you've read absolutely everything in there". But I don't like going to see what I haven't read and seeing it is one of the Bones shipping threads. Sure I could just mark it as read, but what if there actually is an exciting update? So then I click and vile and venom spews across my screen....

 

Sigh.

 

I've had two other kickstarters send out updates this week that they are delayed. On both of them, EVERY reply to the update is positive. The closest they get to negative is things like "I wish they wee here already but understand the delay." type stuff.

 

Oh well, it's lunch. time to paint some Bones :D

[Heisler]

I'm involved with two 15mm Science Fiction Kickstarters. One delivered two months late, there was not a single bad comment about the delay to be seen. The other is likely to deliver late (again pledges totaling about 10x the original amount requested). They have amazing communication, I think there has been an update every week showing the progress of a two man operation going through the process (I can't believe how many master and production molds have been created for the resin portion). They have been informative updates and again not a single bad comment to be seen. On the other hand they could show those weekly updates because they are right there creating it themselves before our eyes which doesn't really compare to a project like Reaper's that is dependent on an overseas supplier at this point.

[pocketcthulhu]

Not so much because I'll have my Bones, which is very nice, but because at least at that point if there are complaints they'll be new complaints.

 

I'm getting pretty tired of the repetitive hyperbolic screaming and foot-stamping. Not because of the complaints, I mean if people are upset about the delay that's cool. I hear ya, brother (or sister). I expected I'd be up to my armpits in delicious Bones by now.

 

But this binary internet hyperbole, that is exhausting. The people creating ghost armies of unspecified supporters to back them up, who are apparently all so enraged they're turning against Reaper wholesale. The idea that a four-month delay, or insufficient frequency of "no new news" updates, renders Reaper the Most Evile Company Evars!!11!!1!

 

I mean, what happened? What happened to the idea of being adult? When I see people react over this like Bryan personally drove to their house and skinned their cat, I'm forced to wonder if maybe the rest of us would be better off if they did take their ball and go home. Because that's some seriously mentally unhinged behaviour, to go direct from "luv 4ever" to super rage-mode hate. Know what I mean?

 

I don't know about those people, but a 4-month delay in little plastic people is hardly my greatest disappointment of the year. It has not, thus far, made my world crumble into apocalyptic ruin. It is certainly not the greatest trauma to visit itself into my life.

 

So why are some people acting like it is? Sheesh. Chillax a little. Unless somebody needs their kickstarter to pay off a debt to the Hell's Angels or they're going to drive-by their house, I suspect the remaining wait time can be easily endured without resort to shrill hyperbole. Why not give it a try?

if bryan or anyone showed up to my house and skinned one or both of my cat's I would go full on wasteland and skin said person stake them to the dirt near an ant pile and cover them in honey.

 

So if reaper's so fraking horrible because of shipping delays and Not sending 50 emails saying We are STILL waiting on the shipping container's coming from roughly the other side of the world Why haven't these same people raided GW's headquarters and played their rib cages like xylophones?

 

It's the hyperbole that gets me. It's the same out in the real world, the idea that anger volume = instant satisfaction. (Really it just results in most convenient placebo to be rid of you so the staff can talk about you when you're gone).

 

now keep in mind I am for the most part A very calm and reasonable person (more so than normal I have been told, as temper problems run in my family and I think I might be over compensating), Their have been times where I'm standing in line waiting for fast food or something and someone next to me starts Screaming at the staff working the counter. I can deal with to a point but after a while I start screaming at them to just shut the #@% up and act like a normal human being and cut the poor employee some slack, It doesn't matter if your burger was wrong, if they are out of the size jeans you wanted or if some plastic mini's take longer than expected to get here.

 

It's gotten me more than a Few panicked looks a couple of thank yous and a free frosty once.

Edited June 7, 2013 by pocketcthulhu

[ferret]

 

I've had two other kickstarters send out updates this week that they are delayed. On both of them, EVERY reply to the update is positive. The closest they get to negative is things like "I wish they wee here already but understand the delay." type stuff.

 

I believe the Bones Kickstarter is getting more negative responses to updates simply because of its success. It brought in a huge number of people that wouldn't think of making a Kickstarter pledge to help a startup company market a new product but viewed the Bones Kickstarter more like making an order from a retailer. Without almost 18,000 backers, it is not surprising that there are some who are unhappy that the figures were not delivered as early as they hoped. The complaints make it easy to lose sight of the fact that most backers are simply waiting patiently and probably understand the reasons for the delay.

[Jordan Peacock]

Meh. I've gone overboard and pledged on several Kickstarters. Not a one of them has actually delivered on time. I mean, sure, my boxed set of Zombicide arrived on time, but they started the NEXT Zombicide Kickstarter before they'd even gotten around to fulfilling the second half of the Abomination pledges ... and by then, some movie company lawyers had sent them some nastygrams about their rip-off figures of "The Bride" from "Kill Bill" and Samuel L. Jackson's character from Pulp Fiction, and the end figures look hardly anything like the promos we pledged for. (I'm not surprised by this; there's a bit of a trend here. Promise the backers an exclusive figure that's a blatant rip-off of a pop-culture icon, then sound all apologetic when the lawyers call, and send out a substitute that wouldn't have generated nearly as much buzz.)

 

Reaper isn't pulling that sort of stunt, and they're keeping me updated, and I've got a backlog of minis to paint anyway, so I can wait a bit longer. I'd be happier if accurate predictions were made, or they erred on the side of pessimism a bit, but this is nothing at all unusual where Kickstarters are concerned. I have no idea when I'll be seeing the second half of my Sedition Wars pledge or my Deadlands Hell on Earth minis, or when my friend will get in all his Relic Knights minis, but it's not to the point of panic yet.

 

As long as I get a bit of news now and again, I can be sure that this isn't some fly-by-night operation (more of a concern with new start-ups than REAPER, for crying out loud), and my minis are (eventually!) on the way. ;)

[Girot]

Reaper ought to hire Jay and Silent Bob as mods who deal with haters:

 

 

(profanity warning)

 

EDIT: I can so picture Brian and Ed dressed up like these guys. That just made my entire year.

Edited June 7, 2013 by Girot