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Spraying new Gloss overtop of old DullCote: Bad idea?

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Until recently I've been making the mistake of trying to use Testors DullCote as a protective layer. No hard gloss underneeth. I'm wondering if it isn't too late for me to protect my old miniatures by spraying a layer of Krylon Gloss over top their original Dullcote layer. Of course, after that I would have to spray another layer of Dullcote...

 

Is it possible that having these alternating layers of dullcote and gloss could ruin the appearance of the miniatures? Yea, I'm being paranoid ;)

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It's should be fine. I've done it before as I sometimes seal with a brushable dullcoat parts that stick out (and thus are prone to getting paint rubbed off).

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I think the only thing you'd have to worry about is a reaction from the Kylon being a different brand. Otherwise, so long as you aren't globbing it on in thick layers, and alternating gloss and dull protective layer seems to be the ticket for protection and looks.

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Thanks for the tips! I've gone ahead and resealed a few of my minis. I haven't noticed any bad reactions and the miniatures seem very well protected now. However, It seems that the extra layers greatly damaged the overall 'detail' of the miniatures. They have that "thick paint that obscures detail" look to them. This probably happened because I've been foolishly spraying a lot of dullcote on my more recent minis in an effort to get them to hold up better, so adding the krylon and another coat of dullcote was probably the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak.

 

Ah well, this is probably still better than the paint getting rubbed off. At least I can look forward to my future miniatures being protected properly without sacrificing detail XD

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After Origins this year, my minis that travelled with me got a little dinged from use and travel. I have been using just vallejo brush on matte varnish. After touchups, I went back with vallejo gloss varnish, let that dry a full day and then back with a coat of the matte. The detail is still there, though they're ever so slightly shiny now. Still, I think future minis will get this treatment from the outset. I'll retrofinish any more scheduled for heavy travel.

 

FWIW, the bones from the Paint n Take came back fine - probably a combination of the magic of bonesium and the fact that she wasn't being used as a mini on the gaming tables.

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