Delayed Fairytales meet The Hunger Games/Battle Royale

[Suden]

The thing people in the comments there don't seem to realize is exactly how successful this project really is.

 

It is two weeks in and has raised over $100k. RAFM Airship Pirates would kill for that much money raised, they have been running approximately the same length of time and are sitting at $8k. And they are a long running, successful company with a proven track record. Oathsworn Miniatures: Heroes is coming off a successful first kickstarter with tons of satisfied customers with beautiful dwarves already in their hands, and they are at ~$20k with 3 days to go (and they really are awesome, go check them out if you haven't already). Red Box Games raised $39k this summer. Tome of Horrors raised $97k in the spring.

 

Fairy Tale Games: The Miniatures Campaign is beating all of them, and lets face it, Fairytale Games is practically vaporware. They have some great concepts and small number of good looking renders, but otherwise, they are relying on enthusiastic backers and a virtually unexplored niche of fairy tale meets steampunk. Guild of Harmony is the only other company I know of doing this sort of thing.

 

Anyway, backers should take a deep breath and appreciate what they have. Reaper's kickstarters are clearly outliers, no other mini only kickstarter has had anything close to their level of success.

[Nocturne]

EDIT: Wrong thread!! I'm a silly person.

Edited October 3, 2013 by Nocturne

[Sanael]

The thing people in the comments there don't seem to realize is exactly how successful this project really is.

 

It is two weeks in and has raised over $100k. RAFM Airship Pirates would kill for that much money raised, they have been running approximately the same length of time and are sitting at $8k. And they are a long running, successful company with a proven track record. Oathsworn Miniatures: Heroes is coming off a successful first kickstarter with tons of satisfied customers with beautiful dwarves already in their hands, and they are at ~$20k with 3 days to go (and they really are awesome, go check them out if you haven't already). Red Box Games raised $39k this summer. Tome of Horrors raised $97k in the spring.

 

Fairy Tale Games: The Miniatures Campaign is beating all of them, and lets face it, Fairytale Games is practically vaporware. They have some great concepts and small number of good looking renders, but otherwise, they are relying on enthusiastic backers and a virtually unexplored niche of fairy tale meets steampunk. Guild of Harmony is the only other company I know of doing this sort of thing.

 

Anyway, backers should take a deep breath and appreciate what they have. Reaper's kickstarters are clearly outliers, no other mini only kickstarter has had anything close to their level of success.

Vaporware. Yes, this. It's why I'm not interested in backing this campaign at all. I love a couple of their concepts/renders, and I backed the original ks because the game seemed interesting enough once the minis unlocked. But we haven't seen anything much related to the freakin' cardboard, much less the injection-molded plastic.

 

The fact that Oathsworn isn't doing as well as this thing is a travesty, if you ask me. I know a lot of reasons for it to be so, including the fact that most miniatures backers have been holding funds for Bones (and most Fairytales backers seem not to be minis backers, as far as I can tell). Even with reasons, though, it's unfortunate. The Oathsworn folks are doing much more awesome, much more demonstrably reliable work.

[Godfather Punk]

I am in at Oathsworn (incuding the dragon)

I dropped out of RAFM early. Too bad but sometimes a hard man has to make hard choices

[Sanael]

I couldn't believe people were already complaining about the project going slow. I can only assume these were people who either missed the first one or were only around the last couple of days and thought that was the normal pace.

Of course, there are already people complaining the same way about Bones2. So, yeah. :P

[Bombad]

Vaporware? No way, I mean its not like they have run a Kickstarter that was supposed to deliver last month, and haven't stated why it hasn't or when it will ever be sent out to backers.

 

Oh wait - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1396565454/a-card-game-to-beat-your-friends-senseless/posts/607006

[Nocturne]

 

I couldn't believe people were already complaining about the project going slow. I can only assume these were people who either missed the first one or were only around the last couple of days and thought that was the normal pace.

Of course, there are already people complaining the same way about Bones2. So, yeah. :P

 

 

Yeah, I meant that comment to be in the Bones 2 thread. Oops... Still, it's relevant here. I'll just copy and paste it into every thread about second kickstarters as I suspect it will always be valid.

[Godfather Punk]

Vaporware? No way, I mean its not like they have run a Kickstarter that was supposed to deliver last month, and haven't stated why it hasn't or when it will ever be sent out to backers.

 

Oh wait - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1396565454/a-card-game-to-beat-your-friends-senseless/posts/607006

 

Alex Lim. That's funny, that's almost the same name as...Hey!

 

Well, I'm staying in to see how it goes. I can still pull out of this one before the end.

 

As for the Vaporware comment, it does start to sound a bit like a Pyramid Scheme. Now they're talking about a future skirmish game tied in with the miniatures. And two other game lines.

[Suden]

I really wasn't trying to be mean with the vaporware comment, I am a backer myself, I was just trying to help backers put things in perspective.

[Trodax]

Yeah, this really does seem like the definition of vaporware to me, and I find it quite amazing that this has racked up over $100K. It was a while ago now, but when last I checked in on the comments section it seemed to be a lot of "I love this game so much" going on. But... as far as I've understood it the game doesn't exist in any form yet. What gives?

[Arkady]

Okay, perspective.

 

RAFM may have a track record, but unfortunately, it feels like most of that track record is from the 80s and 90s. Someone new to miniatures or completely on the outside likely has never heared of them, and will find a website that looks to have barely made it out of the 90s. You might know them well enough to trust them more than some new start-up, I might, but Joe Average? Not so much.

 

Oathsworn does niche miniatures that have little appeal to someone not a role-player [and has a short, but good track record]; Red Box does niche miniatures with little appeal to someone not an old school role-player or miniatures gamer (scale even mnakes them of limited appeal to today's young crowd) [and has one of the most trouble KS campaigns not exactly going for them, the fact we here presumably all know that unlike many others, Tre at least makes an effort communicating about what's going wrong]; and Tome of Horrors is totally completly aimed at the role-player niche [and was run by a company that has a track record best not spoken of].

 

Fairytale Games, by featuring characters that somebody who is not a geek raised on various editions of sometimes more, sometimes less Advanced D&D might actually know, by necessity has a much much much much ad infinitum much broader potential appeal than Tome of Horrors. or any of the above, for that matter, with the possible exception of RAFM.

 

Plus, even though fairytale re-imaginings are totally the new black of fiction (just think Vertigo's Fables, Zenescope's Grimm Fairytales et al., the Once Upon a Time series etc.), nobody has really done it, on a large scale, in miniatures form just yet. That again leaves a much much much oh you get the idea much broader potential audience than being what seems like the umptillionth company trying to carve it's share out of the RPG demi-human character miniatures market. Heck, they even beat the snot out of RAFM here, because everyone's been doing Steampunk miniatures for years...

 

So, the campaign, with good marketing, can be expected to do better than most miniatures campaigns. I'd say it can be expected to do better than most anything not run by Reaper, Adam Poots, CMON or that French company with the goofball logo that people were so eager to back based on a great track record that absolves them of even the need to provide a decent number of renders.

 

Yes, I had to mention that one, because objectively speaking Roginshibols is much more vaporware than any other physical games project I'm following. That's because even three months after the campaign's end, they can't be arsed to show actual renders (thus taking the crown from Relic Knights, you know, the one where a 6-month delay miraculously materialized less than a month before the original estd. shipping date), which means they've shown less actual proof of progress than anyone else (even CMON on Relic Knights).

 

The Fairytale Games miniature KS does not, objectively speaking, look like vaporware. The KS campaign hasn't even ended and they've showing a decent number of renders already (very loosely defining "decent" as "as many as Roginshiroz have shown to date"). It targets a market segment that, by rights, should have more potential than most kickstarters. And it seems to be paying the price of being run by a company without a track record a couple of times over, considering it's getting nowhere near the success of that French or CMON campaigns that showed as little or less concept art and renders during the active funding part of the campaign.

 

Finally, considering their planned shipping date is almost a year from now, I'd say their chances of getting closer to actually meeting the date than CMON on their projects are pretty good. Their estimate is more conservative than Raging Heroes', too, with a lower required production volume, so they have a fair shot at beating them in terms of timely shipping, as well.

 

Of course, they could prove me wrong by being incompetent idiots, but then again, my having backed Sedition Wars, they wouldn't be the first...

 

P.S. Random stray thought: Mars Attacks'll blow am straight out of the water, too, but at least Mantic show a bit more during the campaign than some other companies have done.

Edited October 4, 2013 by Arkady

[ced1106]

I'm not reading any anti-Bones sentiment at the moment / anymore, so mebbe things have died down.

 

I'll let Jake summarize my thoughts. FG took a gamble of starting "part two" of a franchise while the momentum of "part one" was still there. While backers may not be happy, KS is for the *creators* and I think the gamble was a decent idea. FG is going for a franchise of cards, mini's, and a boardgame. Very ambitious and I'd like to see how well their strategy turns out.

 

Jake Young about 2 hours ago

The other major issue for this campaign is there is a lot more faith going on. We have not seen any actual sculpts just Z-brush renders in the hope they will translate to amazing sculpts. We know they are using a material that has been heavily criticized by the community in both the sedition wars campaign and i believe it is the torn armor one.

I also do not understand Alex's earlier comment that we really wont see sculpts. It seems like the company would get some proofs before green lighting a massive production of miniatures hoping their will be no problems.

The benefit of bones 2 at the moment is its a known quantity people have the product and see the pros and cons in hand or can easily order a couple of miniatures on the cheep to check it out.

[estrus]

I really like this one in theory (zombie Jack n Jill hell yeah!) but something about it, and the first campaign, just didn't sit well with me. I occasionally look back at it, get briefly tempted, but don't think I'll ever pledge. Red flags left and right.

[Sae]

Okay, perspective.

 

RAFM may have a track record, but unfortunately, it feels like most of that track record is from the 80s and 90s. Someone new to miniatures or completely on the outside likely has never heared of them, and will find a website that looks to have barely made it out of the 90s. You might know them well enough to trust them more than some new start-up, I might, but Joe Average? Not so much.

 

Oathsworn does niche miniatures that have little appeal to someone not a role-player [and has a short, but good track record]; Red Box does niche miniatures with little appeal to someone not an old school role-player or miniatures gamer (scale even mnakes them of limited appeal to today's young crowd) [and has one of the most trouble KS campaigns not exactly going for them, the fact we here presumably all know that unlike many others, Tre at least makes an effort communicating about what's going wrong]; and Tome of Horrors is totally completly aimed at the role-player niche [and was run by a company that has a track record best not spoken of].

 

Fairytale Games, by featuring characters that somebody who is not a geek raised on various editions of sometimes more, sometimes less Advanced D&D, by necessity has a much much much much ad infinitum much broader potential appeal than Tome of Horrors. or any of the above, for that matter, with the possible exception of RAFM.

 

Plus, even though fairytale re-imaginings are totally the new black of fiction (just think Vertigo's Fables, Zenescope's Grimm Fairytales et al., the Once Upon a Time series etc.), nobody has really done it, on a large scale, in miniatures form just yet. That again leaves a much much much oh you get the idea much broader potential audience than being what seems like the umptillionth company trying to carve it's share out of the RPG demi-human character miniatures market. Heck, they even beat the snot out of RAFM here, because everyone's been doing Steampunk miniatures for years...

 

So, the campaign, with good marketing, can be expected to do better than most miniatures campaigns. I'd say it can be expected to do better than most anything not run by Reaper, Adam Poots, CMON or that French company with the goofball logo that people were so eager to back based on a great track record that absolves them of even the need to provide a decent number of renders.

 

Yes, I had to mention that one, because objectively speaking Roginshibols is much more vaporware than any other physical games project I'm following. That's because even three months after the campaign's end, they can't be arsed to show actual renders (thus taking the crown from Relic Knights, you know, the one where a 6-month delay miraculously materialized less than a month before the original estd. shipping date), which means they've shown less actual proof of progress than anyone else (even CMON on Relic Knights).

 

The Fairytale Games miniature KS does not, objectively speaking, look like vaporware. The KS campaign hasn't even ended and they've showing a decent number of renders already (very loosely defining "decent" as "as many as Roginshiroz have shown to date"). It targets a market segment that, by rights, should have more potential than most kickstarters. And it seems to be paying the price of being run by a company without a track record a couple of times over, considering it's getting nowhere near the success of that French or CMON campaigns that showed as little or less concept art and renders during the active funding part of the campaign.

 

Finally, considering their planned shipping date is almost a year from now, I'd say their chances of getting closer to actually meeting the date than CMON on their projects are pretty good. Their estimate is more conservative than Raging Heroes', too, with a lower required production volume, so they have a fair shot at beating them in terms of timely shipping, as well.

 

Of course, they could prove me wrong by being incompetent idiots, but then again, my having backed Sedition Wars, they wouldn't be the first...

Don't forget the dark version of Grimm fairly tales are popular comic books right now. Merchandising a popular brand (purposely or not) has to be helping them.

[MonkeySloth]

The thing people in the comments there don't seem to realize is exactly how successful this project really is.

 

It is two weeks in and has raised over $100k. RAFM Airship Pirates would kill for that much money raised, they have been running approximately the same length of time and are sitting at $8k. And they are a long running, successful company with a proven track record. Oathsworn Miniatures: Heroes is coming off a successful first kickstarter with tons of satisfied customers with beautiful dwarves already in their hands, and they are at ~$20k with 3 days to go (and they really are awesome, go check them out if you haven't already). Red Box Games raised $39k this summer. Tome of Horrors raised $97k in the spring.

 

Fairy Tale Games: The Miniatures Campaign is beating all of them, and lets face it, Fairytale Games is practically vaporware. They have some great concepts and small number of good looking renders, but otherwise, they are relying on enthusiastic backers and a virtually unexplored niche of fairy tale meets steampunk. Guild of Harmony is the only other company I know of doing this sort of thing.

 

Anyway, backers should take a deep breath and appreciate what they have. Reaper's kickstarters are clearly outliers, no other mini only kickstarter has had anything close to their level of success.

 

I agree. I was going to post something along these lines the other day before the forums were off line. I really don't think they have scope on how well they're doing and I bet all the things against bones is soley based off of how much it's raised as Fairy Tale is no longer the top currently funded mini kickstarter. But 100k as quickly as they raised it is still better then what? 90% of all minis kickstarters if not more? So there's no real reason to be sad\upset over the Bones one as they're doing crazy well.