Delayed Fairytales meet The Hunger Games/Battle Royale

[Darsc Zacal]

For the $100 backer level, which will include all stretch goal minis at no additional charge, including the larger ones, there are over 40 minis by the end of the kickstarter if they reach all planned stretch goals.

 

Considering how fast the pledge $$$ are rolling in, and how many stretch goals they've already broken, it is certainly a possibility. At which point you'd be looking at much much less than $9 a mini. And that's what I think backers will be getting, plastic minis that are only worth a buck or two and not $9 quality minis for a buck or two.

 

I realize they're outsourcing production, but the points are still valid.

 

And I just want to make it clear, I'm not accusing the project creator of being a scammer. I am concerned that he might be over promising though, which is leading to many of their backers to not manage their expectations which could lead to disappointment when the production minis start to arrive.

 

Personally, I'm expecting something along the lines of CMON and Guillotine Games Zombicide miniatures, which I'm so so on.

 

As boardgame pieces, the plastic used is okay, but not what I want from minis I plan on spending time painting. The detail is also a bit hit and miss. As I said before they're not $9 or $10 minis that we're getting for a great price. They're cheaper quality minis not worth much more than what the final price will be.

 

And Beagle - everytime I go back to the kickstarter it seems there's a couple hundred more comments there, with very few of them really being relevant to the KS.

Edited September 19, 2013 by Darsc Zacal

[MonkeySloth]

I've pinged them with a PM about their plastic, specifically if they're thinking of doing multipart which is the only way I see some of these sculpts working (Jack and Jill for one). I agree that they may be over promising quality which is why I mentioned them being board game quality which are rarely decent.

 

Now if they were offering the sets in metal I think I'd be happier with my free credit (kind of sad I guess, it's free but I'm wary of the final product so I complain. Beagle is rubbing off on me ).

[Arkady]

The problem is, the miniatures are being done by the company behind Zpocalypse, right? IIRC, the original Zpocalypse figs received a lot of criticism (more so than CMON, even), but they said they're switching to something different for Zpocalypse: Aftermath. Only the latter isn't out yet, is it? So nobody has any hands-on experience with the new plastic or whether it really is any good.

 

If this stuff winds up being about the same, using the term loosely, quality as Sedition Wars, it'd be a flat-out bad deal; but if it is hard plastic sprues, that'd be an entirely different story.

Edited September 19, 2013 by Arkady

[Beagle]

A fairly simple breakdown for me. Thye have a month to guarantee the quality of the minis,　if they can then I`m in for a lot, if they can`t I`m in for nought.

 

Mr Sloth. Probably better to have a beagle rubbing off on you rather than mercilessly humping your leg - I know beagles that see this as more important than kickstarter. The small minded, big eared loons.

[ced1106]

These concerns are very valid and why I didn't back the previous KS.

 

I wrote to the creator and he said he'll have more info on the sculpts in October. On Monday, we'll find out how much they're offering the KS1 40 miniatures for.

 

The first KS was intentionally a money-loser, so they could get the product out there. The second isn't, so the cost per mini is higher.

 

Until I see sculpts, I see the risk of this KS much much higher than other miniature KS.

[MonkeySloth]

I assume you mean masters or test casts as technically the 3d models are sculpts?

[ced1106]

(: Guess so!

 

Anyway, the KS just started, so it's on the watch list.

 

Especially from the KS comments, it *does* look like more women are attracted to these mini's.

 

I've also asked Reaper to add the Cinderella sculpt to their Bones 2 KS. Post on that thread any other non-adventure fantasy the should have!

[Godfather Punk]

it *does* look like more women are attracted to these mini's.

Why do you assume this? The many 'sausage +1' votes?

[ced1106]

I'm seeing a fair number of female comments on the Fairytale KS.

 

Fairytale Games has an interesting version of Werewolf / Mafia. Scroll down to the additional roles:

http://thefairytalegames.com/rumplestilstskin-the-party-game/

 

 

Best avatar ever:

 

Edited September 20, 2013 by ced1106

[MiniCannuck]

I'm looking at this KickStarter and the last one they did. I'm trying to figure out if this is too good to be true.

 

The first KickStarter had 40 minis as a stretch goal. As far as I can tell from the site, that goal was added to everyone pledging over $65 (some 1200 backers). That's a lot of free minis.

 

Now this second KickStarter has launched offering more minis at a much higher rate per mini. We haven't seen any production models though the images they've show look amazing. However, the first set of minis aren't being offered at all, even as an add on.

 

The math and format just doesn't make sense to me.

 

Can anyone offer some insight/correction that would make me feel better about this neat concept?

[MonkeySloth]

According to them, and I only have their statement on this, they had a bunch of money already to fund the game outside of kickstsarter so, in actuality, all the money raised by the kickstarter was going towards the stretch goals from the start.

 

Take that for what's its worth as it appears that the original KS was just for marketing purposes as they could have easily produced it without one.

[ced1106]

The mini's from the first KS will be added, but they're still deciding on price and whatnot. See this update:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/682539325/fairytale-games-the-miniatures-campaign/posts

 

As for the math, in the first KS, the creators were willing to take a loss. In this one, not so much.

 

If you check out KickTraq, they've hit the usual drop in pledges after two days. The "trending toward" for the first few days is useless (first day: 1 million, second day: 750+ million, third day: 500+ million), so, as a rough comparison, Wrath of Kings made 20% of its funding in the first two days, suggesting Fairytale will hit $325 by the end of the project. (Feel free to post the results of a more similar miniatures project.) I'm sure they're going to have a bump on Monday when the first 40 add-on price is announced.

 

As for feeling better... I'm with you. (: I usually don't pledge until late in a KS project. Also, the 2nd Reaper KS will be this fall. I'm guessing it'll start.. October 23rd? :D

 

EDIT: The Mantic "Mars Attacks" miniatures KS starts in two weeks, so scratch that. :D

Edited September 21, 2013 by ced1106

[Suden]

As MonkeySloth points out, they have said openly that the original project was a deliberate money loser. They wanted to generate a pile of attention and build up a fan base. I think they were very successful in doing that, whether it made business sense or not is another question. The project creator also said the minis were supposed to be released as they are doing it in the second project, as stretch goals. It was backer feedback (people not wanting incomplete sets) that made him change it to releasing the whole 40 in one group as the last stretch goal.

 

The older set of 40 minis (or possibly only 30-35 of them) will be offered as an add-on soon. Basically the project creator talked to backers of the original kickstarter to make sure it was okay if he did that, since some thought the original 40 were all exclusive to the first kickstarter. However, they were never actually made as kickstarter exclusives, only a hand full of cards were marketed that way. There has certainly been a wide spectrum of opinion over the request, but a solid majority of backers have said they would be okay with the minis and some of the other card packs being offered with the new kickstarter. He said he would wait a couple days to give everyone who wanted to a chance to chime in.

 

I expect by tomorrow the original minis will be available as an add-on pack. Your guess is as good as mine as to the cost. Or the quality, for that matter. I have backed both projects without anything but some pretty art and the promise of a pile of fairy tale minis for a cost similar to bones if they reach the stretch goals, which seems very likely.

[MiniCannuck]

Thanks for the info. I guess I'll watch this one and hope for more information as it goes along.

 

Everything looks very pretty, I'm just not yet convinced that this is what will show up yet. After some quality issues with other game minis, I've become a little more wary in what I back.

 

At least there are a few companies like Reaper that I can be confident on the end result.

[Darsc Zacal]

Just so everyone understands why I'm so wary of Renders shown instead of actual minis, let me refer you to the latest Torn Armor Kickstarter update.

 

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alyssafaden/torn-armor/posts/605528#comments

 

And here is an example of one of the renders vs the mini sculpted by well know sculptor, and Reaper regular, Jason Wiebe.

 

 

Now I'm not saying Jason's sculpt is bad, but it does vary quite a bit from the render. Due to the backlash from backers, the folks behind Torn Armour are looking at what can be done as far as creating a mini closer to the render, but they've even acknowledged themselves that it can never match perfectly due to casting requirements and limitations.

 

So yep. That's why I'm wary.

 

Manage your expectations people. I really wish I could make the people on the kickstarters comment section do just that.