Slendertroll Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Ofcourse for new Bones their is no need to physically sculpt the models. All digital design should be the path forward since it is the digital file the determines the mold. For this project they were mainly just transfering existing sculpts. Noooo I definitely disagree. I have found that digitally-sculpted minis tend to feel sort of flat and lifeless. No substitute for the real thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanael Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) I tend to think there's a good place for digital sculpts, such as machinery (Bombshell's rocketbike) and Uncanny Valley (Kingdom Death). And certainly other areas, but those two are where I've seen the most successful examples of digital sculpting. Attempts to make "sexy" (KD's pinups, the ladies of Darkmyr) or "heroic" (Raging Heroes) minis has, IMO, had little success so far. The reason equipment works well is that our eyes expect it to have a manufactured appearance. KD's non-pinup stuff (and some pinups) work because we aren't supposed to see individuals in them, we're supposed to see archetypes; or, for the monsters, we're looking at things for which we have no frame of reference. Raging Heroes, I think, fails because we are supposed to see characters and all we see is plastic with facial features. And those are some of the best-quality digital sculpts around. Now, paint can solve a lot of these problems, but a skilled painter doesn't make the sculpt impressive. What I love to see are sculptors like Tre and Julie and Patrick who sculpt characters rather than miniatures. And I haven't yet seen digital sculpts that have the same level of...well, to be honest it's je ne sais quoi, but I think that's a legitimate quality to seek in art-- as hand-sculpted minis. And a lot of this is highly subjective and it's entirely my opinion, but it's why I'd be very sad if the Bones line, or the industry in general, went primarily to digital sculpting in the near future. Edited for typos. Autocorrect doesn't speak French, apparently. Edited July 6, 2013 by Sanael 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Chaoswolf Posted July 6, 2013 Moderator Share Posted July 6, 2013 I've got 3 figures that I've got issues with that I'm not sure I can overcome, otherwise I'm pretty happy with my loot! And of course, I can tolerate a LOT more flaws in a line of minis that cost me less than a dollar a piece than I would in one that cost me $16 a piece :) ^^^^ This times 1000! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriochrome Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) I've got 3 figures that I've got issues with that I'm not sure I can overcome, otherwise I'm pretty happy with my loot! And of course, I can tolerate a LOT more flaws in a line of minis that cost me less than a dollar a piece than I would in one that cost me $16 a piece :) ^^^^ This times 1000! Please post the names of the figures or subset and general description. We are wondering if it is a individual model, patch, or mold type of issue since the Bones material holds detail well enough that it is not just that. My list: Cowgirl missing Nose The townsfolk with the two kids from my set is pretty poor for facial features on the kids. Kyra the Cleric from the pathfinder is pretty weak in the nose. Juliette Female Sorceress really has no discernable fingers on one hand. Most of these features appear the same in the preview gallery as I see in the models. Some of the preview gallery photos are quite good provided the exposure is over done. Edited July 6, 2013 by eriochrome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahayford Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Ofcourse for new Bones their is no need to physically sculpt the models. All digital design should be the path forward since it is the digital file the determines the mold. For this project they were mainly just transfering existing sculpts. Noooo I definitely disagree. I have found that digitally-sculpted minis tend to feel sort of flat and lifeless. No substitute for the real thing. I can't agree with this. I think there is room for both. Digital stuff can look just as good as hand sculpted...and definitely has a lot of advantages in being able to design parts to be easily interchangable. I'd hardly call this flat or lifeless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodydrake Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 (edited) i agree ahayfor its just another medium..some sculptors will excel with it..others will excel or prefer traditional materials...its all good there is room for both Edited July 7, 2013 by bloodydrake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob the Inquisitor Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 My Almaran the Gold (Paladin with flaming sword) has a nub of a nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriochrome Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 My Almaran the Gold (Paladin with flaming sword) has a nub of a nose. I never looked at mine since she was missing her shield and in the QC checklist. Mine seems to have a reasonable nose better viewed from below than profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Chaoswolf Posted July 7, 2013 Moderator Share Posted July 7, 2013 I've got 3 figures that I've got issues with that I'm not sure I can overcome, otherwise I'm pretty happy with my loot! And of course, I can tolerate a LOT more flaws in a line of minis that cost me less than a dollar a piece than I would in one that cost me $16 a piece :) ^^^^ This times 1000! Please post the names of the figures or subset and general description. We are wondering if it is a individual model, patch, or mold type of issue since the Bones material holds detail well enough that it is not just that. My list: Cowgirl missing Nose The townsfolk with the two kids from my set is pretty poor for facial features on the kids. Kyra the Cleric from the pathfinder is pretty weak in the nose. Juliette Female Sorceress really has no discernable fingers on one hand. Most of these features appear the same in the preview gallery as I see in the models. Some of the preview gallery photos are quite good provided the exposure is over done. Sure thing,My list looks pretty much like yours: Cowgirl's nose is pretty weak Kyra the cleric from pathfinder again with the weak nose--I was considering a greenstuff veil to try and disguise this Juliette the Female Sorceress' hand--although I wasn't worried about this; I planned on cutting it off and replacing it with something else The three I'm not sure if I can fix are: 1)Autumn Bronzeleaf, Female Elf Wizard from the elves set 2)Shaeress Nashanneth from BBEG The faces on both of these 2 are 'pebbley'--I don't have a camera good enough to get pics, but what I mean to say is that both of these look like they've got chicken pox on their faces. 3)The last one is Female Warrior from the fighters set, the axe slung on her belt is missing most of the blade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnacki the Ghost Finder Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Personally I was always pretty dubious about Bones' ability to capture human sized face details, ever since I went looking for some to paint up last August and noticed the only available human was wearing a helmet. Didn't stop me from throwing irrational sums of green at the Kickstarter though -- I was mostly interested in the monsters monsters monsters! Everybody loves monsters, right? I look forward to being pleasantly surprised at the human minis that actually do have facial details. Besides, they can't be worse than my box of TSR "Monks, Bards and Thieves." Although that Ellen Stone Bones preview is pretty rough -- I like it. She ain't one a them pretty gurl types. She's been hangin out in Deadwood fer a bit longer than she shoulda, got herself into a few drinkin contests that ended in barroom brawls, and got her face rearranged. Yee-haw!!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingwreckage Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 My pre-KS orcs have pretty good faces, but they have coarser features than we expect on humans. Dwarf, the same on both counts. I'll have a look at the others tomorrow if I get time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanguad Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 My Almaran the Gold (Paladin with flaming sword) has a nub of a nose. My Almaran's nose looks okay (it's not very big, but otherwise okay). The far side of his face has issues, but I'm not really concerned since he's headed for the tabletop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriochrome Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 I've got 3 figures that I've got issues with that I'm not sure I can overcome, otherwise I'm pretty happy with my loot! And of course, I can tolerate a LOT more flaws in a line of minis that cost me less than a dollar a piece than I would in one that cost me $16 a piece :) ^^^^ This times 1000! Please post the names of the figures or subset and general description. We are wondering if it is a individual model, patch, or mold type of issue since the Bones material holds detail well enough that it is not just that. My list: Cowgirl missing Nose The townsfolk with the two kids from my set is pretty poor for facial features on the kids. Kyra the Cleric from the pathfinder is pretty weak in the nose. Juliette Female Sorceress really has no discernable fingers on one hand. Most of these features appear the same in the preview gallery as I see in the models. Some of the preview gallery photos are quite good provided the exposure is over done. Sure thing,My list looks pretty much like yours: Cowgirl's nose is pretty weak Kyra the cleric from pathfinder again with the weak nose--I was considering a greenstuff veil to try and disguise this Juliette the Female Sorceress' hand--although I wasn't worried about this; I planned on cutting it off and replacing it with something else The three I'm not sure if I can fix are: 1)Autumn Bronzeleaf, Female Elf Wizard from the elves set 2)Shaeress Nashanneth from BBEG The faces on both of these 2 are 'pebbley'--I don't have a camera good enough to get pics, but what I mean to say is that both of these look like they've got chicken pox on their faces. 3)The last one is Female Warrior from the fighters set, the axe slung on her belt is missing most of the blade I think mine are again like yours. Autumn Bronzeleaf the staff side of the face is very bumpy. Very clear in slightly angled profile with stuff above eye lash. Really to bad as the other side of the face is really nice. Shaeress Nashanneth face is just sort of rough all over. Female Warrior is missing about 50 percent of the blade edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriochrome Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) My Almaran the Gold (Paladin with flaming sword) has a nub of a nose. My Almaran's nose looks okay (it's not very big, but otherwise okay). The far side of his face has issues, but I'm not really concerned since he's headed for the tabletop. You are totally right. I focused to much on the nose and the good face side. The side you highlight looks similar to me. Really to bad because the other side shows how good the quality could be. It appears that these are mold issues either wear or bad fabrication. Might paint it up as fire scars since when you play with fire you will get burned. Edited July 8, 2013 by eriochrome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBluberry Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) Thanks for pointing out the issues with Autumn Bronzeleaf, I had to really look to see it, but there are issues with mine that match your description. I'm going to see if I can salvage it with some careful sanding. (Those plastic sanding needles are awesome.) Edited July 8, 2013 by LittleBluberry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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