gregferrell Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 I found many miniatures from the Vampire box that had soft, but still present, noses. Thats fine. Not everyone needs a striking nose. However, eight of them seem to be miscast. Some are missing the tips while others are so soft they look like aliens. To each figure I did a base coat of 09047 Fair Skin and then applied 09253 Flesh Wash. You can see them in my dropbox here: http://db.tt/UxAsjql5 The miniatures are Kyra, Female Iconic Cleric 89015 Merisiel, Iconic Elf Rogue 89009 Damiel, Iconic Alchemist 89010 Seelah, Iconic Female Paladin 89011 Dita, Steampunk Witch 80006 Berkeley, Zombie Surivor 80022 Vaeloth, Hellborn Paladin 77120 Ellen Stone, Cowgirl 80003 I honestly wouldn't care if it were bad guys but I was looking forward to having a cool set of PF iconics to show off. I had the same problems with mostly the same minis. Some just missing faces altogether with maybe just the eyes. It's not just the clearness of the bones plastic, i looked at them under multiple lights. And agree, if it were the mobs, it wouldn't be as bad, but it was for some of the cooler figs :/. Can't complain too hard at ~0.42¢ a fig and considering they had 18k x 240+ to produce, but still disappointing on some level. I guess like others said i can use them for bodies on other minis and if i really wanted to paint it nicely i can just order the metal version. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassu Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 I dunno, I know it would be quite expensive to ship out thousands of replacements all over the world. On the other hand, stuff like Ellen is really bad and should've been caught by QA. But that's why it irritates me when people keep whining about how long the process takes and want their minis yesterday. You get stuff like that happening. I hardly think Kickstarter backers can be blamed for the Bones QC issues. The factory in China was working under Reaper's schedule and the figures were being made before Reaper's estimated shipping date of March. We didn't decide those dates, Reaper did. People were expecting all of the Bones figures to be up to the same standard as the ones already on their online store, because that's pretty much what we were promised during the Kickstarter. If Reaper had said to people 'we may be a bit longer because there are some QC issues,' and asked people if they wanted to wait so they got nice, polished models I'm sure there would have been more than a few people who would have been okay with that. But backers weren't given that option, it seems to us that the only issues we've had to suffer through are all shipping related, and items not arriving from China when Reaper expected them. If Reaper were in such a rush that they let so many badly molded minis through, I hardly think that's our fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingwreckage Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 QC issues happen. Currently the ratio doesn't seem high overall, but it does seem to be centered on those few minis. Cassu is quite right that it's nowt to do with the customers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursha&NoAkei Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) Can't complain too hard at ~0.42¢ a fig and considering they had 18k x 240+ to produce, but still disappointing on some level. I guess like others said i can use them for bodies on other minis and if i really wanted to paint it nicely i can just order the metal version. In the case the miscast would happen to my models I will surely complain very loud. The significant discount obtained by my point of view was the repayment for buying the miniatures nearly an year before they come to the market, based on the expected quality of previous Reaper products. The good quality at a cheap price was the core of the Kickstater campaign that I remember. I can accept logistical problems, since the firm has never done shipments so large, but wouldn't accept quality loss, especially on the Ellen Stone Model. A quality I have paid for last September. Edited July 22, 2013 by Ursha&NoAkei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokingwreckage Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Yup. I'd let 'em know. There's an email addie in the package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator TaleSpinner Posted July 22, 2013 Moderator Share Posted July 22, 2013 Relax everyone. Reaper has already clearly said that they will address and make issues right, after the KS has been fulfilled. Issues are going to happen. Give them a month to settle out and then send them a list of your issues via [email protected] as was previously mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragma Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Has anybody tried fixing the faces with green stuff? I have a couple with very weak noses and I think I might give this a try, but it may be tough to get such a tiny piece to adhere properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophetic_joe Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I found many miniatures from the Vampire box that had soft, but still present, noses. Thats fine. Not everyone needs a striking nose. However, eight of them seem to be miscast. Some are missing the tips while others are so soft they look like aliens. To each figure I did a base coat of 09047 Fair Skin and then applied 09253 Flesh Wash. You can see them in my dropbox here: http://db.tt/UxAsjql5 The miniatures are Kyra, Female Iconic Cleric 89015 Merisiel, Iconic Elf Rogue 89009 Damiel, Iconic Alchemist 89010 Seelah, Iconic Female Paladin 89011 Dita, Steampunk Witch 80006 Berkeley, Zombie Surivor 80022 Vaeloth, Hellborn Paladin 77120 Ellen Stone, Cowgirl 80003 I honestly wouldn't care if it were bad guys but I was looking forward to having a cool set of PF iconics to show off. Same issues here. Mini for mini. I didn't get mine from KS though. Missed it and picked these up brand new on ebay. Not sure what reaper would do to help me out. Seems to me this is either a problem with the molds or the way in which the models transitioned from metal to plastic. Either way it's not a good thing. I will certainly buy more bones because i have had enough good luck with them to make them still a good product but it does seem as if the ones with less pronounced noses are losing a bit of detail and unless they get it sorted out I will avoid those types of sculpts in bones in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimbers Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Feedback to Reaper (and any decent company) is important. They can't always know there is a problem until they hear about it. Things slip through the QC process for every goods manufacturer, unfortunately. If you are unhappy, you have to tell them about it or it won't get fixed. I imagine if they hear enough people telling them something is faulty and not worth their money, they'll take it off the shelves until the quality is improved. Personally, I'm not looking for any replacements on the ones that everyone has issues with. It just doesn't bother me. I certainly don't begrudge people asking for what they paid for, or compensation for what can't be provided. If you paid for it, you should certainly get it, and I expect Reaper will take care of everyone (eventually, it sounds like there may be a bit of a list now) like they have done in the past. I think the KS may have pushed things a bit too fast for everyone over at Reaper. Getting back to a slower release schedule will probably be a good thing overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnifix Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 There are definitely some soft noses out there, I have one mini somewhere whose lower face looks like the end of a jelly bean, but it seems to be a little random. I got four Vampires, and have been able to compare minis between three of them. Some minis are sharp, some are sloppy. In general, the harder material (such as that the gryphons are made of) definitely fares better than the ultra soft stuff, but most of the small minis are made of softer material. Is it ok to discuss general loss of detail in this thread? If not, let me know and I'll edit out the below. Another mini that I have trouble with is the Bat Swarm. It seems quite rigid, but the detail is exceedingly fuzzy. Is anyone with a metal version able to confirm how well defined the swarm is? How easy to parse is each individual bat? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimbers Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Another mini that I have trouble with is the Bat Swarm. It seems quite rigid, but the detail is exceedingly fuzzy. Is anyone with a metal version able to confirm how well defined the swarm is? How easy to parse is each individual bat? It does look a lot fuzzier than the metal version pictured, but that could be due to clean up on the metal version. I can still make out some of their tiny little bat faces. They're so cute. This is a very busy sculpt with all those undercuts and everything. I wouldn't be surprised if the metal version requires a lot of clean up itself. I was wondering about this one earlier when I was looking through them. I'd like to hear from someone who does have this in metal. I know there are people out there. I've heard complaints about those loose bats before! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator OneBoot Posted August 8, 2013 Moderator Share Posted August 8, 2013 I found many miniatures from the Vampire box that had soft, but still present, noses. Thats fine. Not everyone needs a striking nose. However, eight of them seem to be miscast. Some are missing the tips while others are so soft they look like aliens. To each figure I did a base coat of 09047 Fair Skin and then applied 09253 Flesh Wash. You can see them in my dropbox here: http://db.tt/UxAsjql5 The miniatures are Kyra, Female Iconic Cleric 89015 Merisiel, Iconic Elf Rogue 89009 Damiel, Iconic Alchemist 89010 Seelah, Iconic Female Paladin 89011 Dita, Steampunk Witch 80006 Berkeley, Zombie Surivor 80022 Vaeloth, Hellborn Paladin 77120 Ellen Stone, Cowgirl 80003 I honestly wouldn't care if it were bad guys but I was looking forward to having a cool set of PF iconics to show off. Thanks for posting about this! I honestly hadn't done more than just an inventory when I got them, and hadn't looked closely at any since, aside from the ones I've been painting. My Kyra had the same odd divot right in the center of what little nose she had, and my Mirisiel looked just like yours as well. My Damiel looked fine, seems he had a small nose to begin with, and my Seelah, while better than yours, had the same problem as Kyra. My Dita looked great except that she's missing her nose completely from the bottom of her eyes down, my Berkely looked just like yours in that she looks more like a zombie than a survivor, my Vaeloth looks like yours, and my Ellen Stone is similarly nose-less. Long story short, my Damiel was the only one of my models (out of the ones listed above) that looked okay. Huzzah! --OneBoot :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Mercury Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I have one mini somewhere whose lower face looks like the end of a jelly bean I laughed way more than I should have at this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solauren Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Just finished painting the Vandorendra Demon and I've noticed the nose is very flat. So looking over other minis, I have noticed that most of the miniatures seem to loose the most detail with the nose. I'm getting ready to paint Goldar the Barbarian and his whole face is nearly flat.Personally I find that so long as the detail on the larger minis is okay than the lack of detail on the smaller minis is not so bad. But it's still something to look into when possibly making new Bones figures, so we don't get the detail loss we are seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsidianCrane Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Its something I see only in the KS minis, and even then its hardly universal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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