dglass Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I'm not sure I understand the theory on gluing Deathsleet to a base. I don't know if mine stands up or not, since it is badly warped and I haven't gotten around to boiling it yet. However, it sounds like the problem is that the legs themselves are weak. If the ankles can't support the body's weight, why would giving the figure a more stable base help? If he's just tipping over, then that seems like a different (and easily fixable) issue. I ask in part because I was planning on putting him on a base, but I remain concerned about this particular issue. I pinned the feet to the base but what happened is that she would slowly lean forward. After an hour she was bent down like she was trying to get a drink from my paint pot. By glueing down the tail it balanced the weight and wouldn't let her lean forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistwalker Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 It's a slippery slope. So I think I'm going to declare, now, that if I encounter any Bones that requires me to invest prodigious effort and time outside of minor fixes and painting, I'm going to declare it does not exist. I don't want my Bones to become a work thing, like metal miniatures. This is supposed to be fast, easy, and fun. If a Bones doesn't meet that criteria, I'll cut its picture out of my catalog and deny everything. I am willing to aid you in your efforts to deny the existence of certain bones. I will take all of them that you give me deny and ensure that you never see them again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slendertroll Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I'm not sure I understand the theory on gluing Deathsleet to a base. I don't know if mine stands up or not, since it is badly warped and I haven't gotten around to boiling it yet. However, it sounds like the problem is that the legs themselves are weak. If the ankles can't support the body's weight, why would giving the figure a more stable base help? If he's just tipping over, then that seems like a different (and easily fixable) issue. I ask in part because I was planning on putting him on a base, but I remain concerned about this particular issue. I pinned the feet to the base but what happened is that she would slowly lean forward. After an hour she was bent down like she was trying to get a drink from my paint pot. By glueing down the tail it balanced the weight and wouldn't let her lean forward. Ahh, that's what I was missing. Didn't realize people were gluing the tail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimbers Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 My Deathsleet just seems to fall sideways if unpropped from the side until I manage to straighten the slightly bent leg. Mine doesn't seem to have the falling forward/soft ankle problem. I left her all afternoon and she seems fine. I'll probably end up making a simple base anyway as I'm sure it will be easy to knock her over onto her wings or poor face. I want a little heft to the bottom of most of my minis anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denneyg Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 The Jabberwock pennies didn't work. That is one determined creature. I threw him back in the box to deal with later. Next year, maybe. Yeah, that was my experience as well. I didn't glue pennies on, but I weighted the base down. The Jabberwock just kept bending over until it was finally far enough down to dislodge the weight. The ankle on the one foot that is down just doesn't seem to be strong enough to support his weight. I've been considering finding something to prop between his knee and his base to support the weight. Maybe a piece of clear plastic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teskal Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I'm not sure if I really understand the problem, but I don't have much problems with my dragons. But I didn't boil them. Only the left dragon on the 3rd picture will need his tail in hot water, before he is standing correctly. Ebonwrath is not on the picture, but he will need a base. But I will put every dragon on a heavy base, because they are bones and need not much to fall down. Deathsleet and Jabberwocky can stand alone. Not really good, so I used 50mm metal 'bases'. You can see one of them on bottom of the 3rd picture. Is it possible that boiling can soften the material? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buglips*the*goblin Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 I checked Deathsleet's springiness before boiling, and there was no change. He wouldn't stand up in that original pose because his legs were sideways. But in terms of flexibility, there was no change. Same with Jabby. Neither of mine could possibly stand like yours are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadcubed Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) Remember, all of these minis were originally sculpted for life as a metal mini. Bones didn't even exist then so there was no way for the sculptors to take the unique aspects of Bones into account, I think you will see changes in the way things are sculpted now that Bones are a part of the equation. I know I saw Julie working on a dragon at ReaperCon with the concept of utilizing Bones' strengths and minimizing the weaknesses. This is something all of us sculptors are going to have to start thinking about, since we won't necessarily know what minis will end-up as Bones down the line. Andy That's part of it, but some of the Bones bases have also been modified from their metal form. But I think you're right that these more problematic ones will get a re-look. As Kickstarter backers, or we could use the term "early adopters", being on the front line for unexpected issues comes with the deal and we can help work out kinks. There's nothing here I can't fix. Mostly I'm just disappointed that I'm unable to use them in their pure form, because I was really making an effort to do that. Well, and that was part of the Bones philosophy. Philosophy often ends up lost to the reality. Well, the good news is that I've become increasingly adept at sculpting broccoli bases. So at least everything will look right. My greatest terror is that I'll hit one I have to base and terrain. Because that would just look weird. And compel me to base and terrain others. It's a slippery slope. So I think I'm going to declare, now, that if I encounter any Bones that requires me to invest prodigious effort and time outside of minor fixes and painting, I'm going to declare it does not exist. I don't want my Bones to become a work thing, like metal miniatures. This is supposed to be fast, easy, and fun. If a Bones doesn't meet that criteria, I'll cut its picture out of my catalog and deny everything. Philosophies that lose out to reality tend to ignore the reality causing the issue. The Jabberwock pennies didn't work. That is one determined creature. I threw him back in the box to deal with later. Next year, maybe. ETA: It also occurs to me that I may not possess a pot of sufficient size to boil Kaladrax's wings. If you try to ignore the Jabberwocky because he doesn't fit with your philosophy then he will definitely prove his reality. Edited July 30, 2013 by Dadcubed 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadcubed Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I'll check my Deathsleet shortly. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redambrosia Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Well, Bugs, if the pain of putting them on bases is too much for you, I'd be happy to give them a good home, and bases. Tehehe. Especially the Jabberwocky! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buglips*the*goblin Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 Well, Bugs, if the pain of putting them on bases is too much for you, I'd be happy to give them a good home, and bases. Tehehe. Especially the Jabberwocky! I will consider this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falhurk Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 A bit off topic but does anyone know what the bones skeletal giant is going to cost once it hits retail? I remember finding all of the bones minis on the website and their prices but it seems they're gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffStray Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 $15. https://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/previews/sku-down/77116 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlblack Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Is it possible that boiling can soften the material? I suppose it's possible, but I'm having the problems mentioned in this thread without having boiled them. My Deathsleet's feet are crooked, and when I straighten them out long enough to stand him up, he slowly bends forward. This is straight out of the plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teskal Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Ok, my Deathsleet has one of his feet crooked, too. But I prefer to use metal bases for the bones. So I my bones will have more problems with staying connected with the glue. Deathsleet's crooked foot needed more care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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